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Old 08-03-2012, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I don't understand why we house them. Arrest them, check their status and put them on a bus back home.
Nope. Allow their family to buy them their freedom and deport them.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I don't understand why we house them. Arrest them, check their status and put them on a bus back home.
We (the US gov't) aren't housing them. Private for-profit prisons are doing that. They're billing us for it, and raking in the dough doing it. They're lobbying state & federal gov't for tougher punishments b/c they profit from it. This is the direct result of people yelling about punishing illegals & shrinking gov't, even when neither is net benefit to our country financially or logically.

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Nope. Allow their family to buy them their freedom and deport them.
Lol... really? Bill the family of illegals $200k to free that person? And if they don't? What else can we threaten them with that we're not already doing?
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:26 PM
 
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We (the US gov't) aren't housing them. Private for-profit prisons are doing that. They're billing us for it, and raking in the dough doing it. They're lobbying state & federal gov't for tougher punishments b/c they profit from it. This is the direct result of people yelling about punishing illegals & shrinking gov't, even when neither is net benefit to our country financially or logically.



Lol... really? Bill the family of illegals $200k to free that person? And if they don't? What else can we threaten them with that we're not already doing?
How are unskilled Mexicans who don't speak English a net benefit for our economy? If they're that valuable why isn't Mexico demanding they return? Americans should simply bill Mexico for the costs involved here. More than half of all illegals are Mexicans.

We need to make it clear that anyone coming here illegally will be punished. Instead we reward them with periodic amnesty, welfare bennies and Spanish interpreters. It's absurd.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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Hotel Gitmo????
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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How are unskilled Mexicans who don't speak English a net benefit for our economy? If they're that valuable why isn't Mexico demanding they return? Americans should simply bill Mexico for the costs involved here. More than half of all illegals are Mexicans.

We need to make it clear that anyone coming here illegally will be punished. Instead we reward them with periodic amnesty, welfare bennies and Spanish interpreters. It's absurd.
B/c they don't cost us $5.1B! And that $ is just going to get higher if we keep outsourcing our prisons and letting their CEOs direct gov't to send them more illegals via tougher immigration laws.
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:20 PM
 
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B/c they don't cost us $5.1B! And that $ is just going to get higher if we keep outsourcing our prisons and letting their CEOs direct gov't to send them more illegals via tougher immigration laws.
How do you know they don't cost us that much?



California is bankrupt. Most of their problems stem from being forced to provide for Mexico's underclass. Our immigration laws SHOULD be tough. We don't have enough jobs for our own people. Why should we allow millions of unskilled foreign nationals who have willfully violated our laws to remain here?

If we send out the message that life will not be easy if you come here illegally we will deter others from doing so. Considering that probably at least a billion unskilled, badly educated, non-English speaking people want to move here that's a good message to put out.
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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We wouldn't have this problem if our government would enforce our laws and stop coddling illegals. If they knew they couldn't get a job anywhere in this country, or suck at the government teat, there would be no incentive to come. Then, we would only have to deal with drug traffickers and terrorists entering our country illegally. But, too many elites profit, so nothing is done. Sadly, our so-called representatives in Congress are their lap dogs. As long as voters continue to elect the same worthless bunch, we can expect the same results.
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Old 08-03-2012, 04:28 PM
 
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Hmmm... how's that cracking down on illegals doing for our bottom line?

Oh... and this $5.1B is being paid to private companies and is costing TWICE as much per immigrant/day than when the gov't housed them.

How's that shrinking gov't doing for our bottom line?

Immigrants prove big business for prison companies - Yahoo! News
Well then I guess we shouldn't incarcerate American lawbreakers either, right? Afterall it costs money to do that.

I propose that if someone can't prove they are legally in this country within 72 hours we ship them out to their native countries. Problem solved.
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Old 08-03-2012, 09:51 PM
 
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Well -- at least these criminal illegals are creating some jobs for Americans.

Obama is only having the worst kinds of criminals arrested if they are illegal aliens, rapists, murderers. It would be okay to deport them except that since only the very violent illegals are being arrested and the deported illegals just turn around and come right on back, it's best to keep these criminals locked up.

If it is too expensive, we could think about outsourcing the prisons -- maybe have the prisons in Haiti and ship the illegals there to be cared for.
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Old 08-04-2012, 10:04 AM
 
Location: California
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$5.1B for 23000 illegals?
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The total average nightly cost to taxpayers to detain an illegal immigrant, including health care and guards' salaries, is about $166, ICE confirmed only after the AP calculated that figure and presented it to the agency.
Since when did 23000 x $166 = $5.1B?

If you would have actually comprehended what you claimed you would have read
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A decade ago, more than 3,300 criminal immigrants were sent to private prisons under two 10-year contracts the Federal Bureau of Prisons signed with CCA worth $760 million. Now, the agency is paying the private companies $5.1 billion to hold more than 23,000 criminal immigrants through 13 contracts of varying lengths.
So 13 contracts totaling $5.1B for varying lengths of time to hold more than 23000 each illegals at any given time. thats 13 contracts of holding more than 23000 for each contract.

The gov't is cheaper? The $166 per illegal in private is cheaper then the gov't per illegal in guards pensions alone.
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