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Old 08-07-2012, 12:27 PM
 
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Immigrants, regardless of immigration status, seem to be much less likely than natives to be convicted of property or violent crimes according to a wealth of studies on the topic. Cities with higher numbers of immigrants and that are closer to the southern border are more peaceful and less crime prone. It is possible to hypothesize that immigrants are attracted to low crime rates, they don't cause them. While that is true, after they move to these cities in large numbers the crime rates continue to fall. There is no evidence of an immigrant crime wave.

None of this is meant to excuse the violent and property crimes committed by anybody, immigrant or otherwise. They should be punished for their violent and property crimes like everybody else. But the CRS report details crimes committed by unauthorized immigrants filtered through at least two levels of law enforcement with no comparison to the rest of the population. That is no foundation for policy making.
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:37 PM
 
Location: California
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Its recycled info. The linked to report in HP is from an older report that simply has been updated to July 2012. Alex Norwasteh is doing nothing more interpreting data to his assumptions.

The key words: Immigrants, regardless of immigration status, seem to be much less likely than natives to be convicted of property or violent crimes according to a wealth of studies on the topic. That's because they usually get deported before they had the chance to be convicted. If we allowed all to be convicted and then held incarcerated, costs would increase even further.

If you read the 3 links of your paragraphs they all use plausible reasoning as there defining of their opinions. Nowrasteh even admits his claims aren't apples to apples. Here is a simple point, as population increases faster than crime is arrested, its sure to lower the percentage numbers of crimes. Your paragraph links to an article sating just that.
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No satisfactory evidence has yet been produced to show that immigration has resulted in an increase in crime disproportionate to the increase in adult population.
The funny thing about using percentages is that they are easily manipulated.

I really like how he uses articles about non-border violence from '09 instead of recent articles showing the opposite, nothing like cherry picking data.

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Old 08-07-2012, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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Key word: CONVICTED. Someone can be arrested 10 times and not be convicted. The court system has a turnstyle for illegals. If every illegal that was arrested and was convicted the back up in the courts would go on for years.
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by Liquid Reigns View Post
Its recycled info. The linked to report in HP is from an older report that simply has been updated to July 2012. Alex Norwasteh is doing nothing more interpreting data to his assumptions.

The key words: Immigrants, regardless of immigration status, seem to be much less likely than natives to be convicted of property or violent crimes according to a wealth of studies on the topic. That's because they usually get deported before they had the chance to be convicted. If we allowed all to be convicted and then held incarcerated, costs would increase even further.

If you read the 3 links of your paragraphs they all use plausible reasoning as there defining of their opinions. Nowrasteh even admits his claims aren't apples to apples. Here is a simple point, as population increases faster than crime is arrested, its sure to lower the percentage numbers of crimes. Your paragraph links to an article sating just that. The funny thing about using percentages is that they are easily manipulated.

I really like how he uses articles about non-border violence from '09 instead of recent articles showing the opposite, nothing like cherry picking data.
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Key word: CONVICTED. Someone can be arrested 10 times and not be convicted. The court system has a turnstyle for illegals. If every illegal that was arrested and was convicted the back up in the courts would go on for years.
Ah, convicted -- that pesky little requirement for a criminal record. It's kind of hard to convict people who flee to Mexico, or even arrest them when they're here, when they use 30 aliases and have members of their community hiding them from police.
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