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Old 08-07-2012, 08:44 PM
 
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Yes -- reward those who have proven to have no respect for the laws of this country and penalize those who do.

Well sorry you chumps who were hoping to get an employer sponsored visa so you could come here. This government has zero respect for any of you. You should have just gone ahead and broken the laws and you'd be first in line for all those plush American jobs.
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Old 08-07-2012, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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No, it is YOU who is entirely lost. In case you don't know, USCIS falls under the purview of DHS. They do NOTHING without authorization from DHS, including hiring. So, where and how will USCIS hire these folks?
This premise put forward by CIS, on which you base the first part of your post, is wholly false. USCIS is funded by petition fees, making them independent of how other agencies are run. They do plan ahead fairly well these days.

Learn to not unquestionably swallow CIS/FAIR "data" without verification. I've found information that is incorrect on their pages over the years. Their immigrant sponsorship requirements even has the math and reasoning wrong.
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Old 08-07-2012, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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This premise put forward by CIS, on which you base the first part of your post, is wholly false. USCIS is funded by petition fees, making them independent of how other agencies are run. They do plan ahead fairly well these days.

Learn to not unquestionably swallow CIS/FAIR "data" without verification. I've found information that is incorrect on their pages over the years. Their immigrant sponsorship requirements even has the math and reasoning wrong.
This is beyond pathetic. What part of USCIS falls under the direct purview of DHS do you not comprehend? It is not a separate agency as in the past. Now, it is a branch of DHS, and DHS runs the show. Are you that hell-bent on being right that you can't even accept an obvious fact? When USCIS was INS, yes it was separate. But, that has changed. Get over it.

Yes, USCIS is fee-based. Obviously, they have made an exception for Dreamies, which again, explains the estimated hundreds of millions of taxpayers' dollars that will be used to pay for this mess. We damn sure don't pay for others.

Unless DHS authorizes USCIS to hire additional staff, which they cannot do due to the freeze, there will be no hiring for Dreamies. Furthermore, they would need to hire 3,000 employees at a minimum. But, before they could even hire them, they would need background checks, including investigations that take months to complete, security clearances, etc. You don't just waltz into DHS and overnight have a job. Get real. This isn't Pizza Hut. People have to wait sometimes more than a year before they are cleared to work for DHS. Then, they would have to be trained. So, please explain how all of this could possibly transpire within a period of two months. Don't be ridiculous. Good night.
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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This is beyond pathetic. What part of USCIS falls under the direct purview of DHS do you not comprehend? It is not a separate agency as in the past. Now, it is a branch of DHS, and DHS runs the show. Are you that hell-bent on being right that you can't even accept an obvious fact? When USCIS was INS, yes it was separate. But, that has changed. Get over it.

Yes, USCIS is fee-based. Obviously, they have made an exception for Dreamies, which again, explains the estimated hundreds of millions of taxpayers' dollars that will be used to pay for this mess. We damn sure don't pay for others.

Unless DHS authorizes USCIS to hire additional staff, which they cannot do due to the freeze, there will be no hiring for Dreamies. Furthermore, they would need to hire 3,000 employees at a minimum. But, before they could even hire them, they would need background checks, including investigations that take months to complete, security clearances, etc. You don't just waltz into DHS and overnight have a job. Get real. This isn't Pizza Hut. People have to wait sometimes more than a year before they are cleared to work for DHS. Then, they would have to be trained. So, please explain how all of this could possibly transpire within a period of two months. Don't be ridiculous. Good night.
You're getting very reactionary to the challenge that the quoted paragraph from CIS is false:

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4.6 million individuals world-wide who have been approved to be sponsored for green cards by U.S. citizens, current green card holders, and U.S. employers through the established legal immigration process will now have to step aside for a while in order for USCIS to process the deferred action applications of people hoping to qualify under the Obama administration's Dream Scheme.
Those 4.6 million are not processing at USCIS, they are in a holding pattern based on the quota of their visa category. From there, you are interjecting mistaken assumptions about USCIS receiving taxpayer funding, and not being able to hire enough personnel. And your entire argument is mock horror that those that aren't even legal immigrants yet are being delayed further.

Those potential legal immigrants are mostly Mexicans, from a country that has high illegal immigration characteristics (and "demand" that we speak Spanish). The categories are relations like adult siblings and their families of U.S. citizens. Family-based sponsorship, the larger group, doesn't even consider educational or occupational abilities of those coming into the U.S. economy.

They'll send their money to their true "home" once they are here...

But it sure is entertaining to see those that have proposed immigration moratoriums and absolutely no services until someone naturalizes protest all of a sudden that these potential immigrants might (incorrectly) have a longer wait time. What is so hard about living in those countries? An inconsistent stance just shows that just anything will be used as an argument.
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Old 08-08-2012, 05:25 AM
 
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There's a hiring freeze for all but the MOST essential positions. They aren't hiring anyone to process Dreamies, which is why they are either playing games per instructions from Obama, or they will automatically approve every application. They don't have the resources, period. If they approve Dreamies without thorough background checks and other crucial procedures, heaven help us.


Senate committee approves DHS hiring freeze in reauthorization bill - FederalNewsRadio.com
Politicians will do and say anything to get relected. It will be interesting to see what happens to all those DREAMies after Obama loses the election.
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Old 08-08-2012, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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Politicians will do and say anything to get relected. It will be interesting to see what happens to all those DREAMies after Obama loses the election.
Or if re-elected how he postpones or reneges on his "promises".
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Old 08-08-2012, 07:35 AM
 
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You're getting very reactionary to the challenge that the quoted paragraph from CIS is false:



Those 4.6 million are not processing at USCIS, they are in a holding pattern based on the quota of their visa category. From there, you are interjecting mistaken assumptions about USCIS receiving taxpayer funding, and not being able to hire enough personnel. And your entire argument is mock horror that those that aren't even legal immigrants yet are being delayed further.

Those potential legal immigrants are mostly Mexicans, from a country that has high illegal immigration characteristics (and "demand" that we speak Spanish). The categories are relations like adult siblings and their families of U.S. citizens. Family-based sponsorship, the larger group, doesn't even consider educational or occupational abilities of those coming into the U.S. economy.

They'll send their money to their true "home" once they are here...

But it sure is entertaining to see those that have proposed immigration moratoriums and absolutely no services until someone naturalizes protest all of a sudden that these potential immigrants might (incorrectly) have a longer wait time. What is so hard about living in those countries? An inconsistent stance just shows that just anything will be used as an argument.
Great post! The so called "anti-illegals" base most of their arguments on lies and misinformation. That is why they get all upset and offended when you call them out on it. Keep up the good work!!! CIS is the most biased and anti-immigrant organization founded by the well known racist John Tanton. They are for eliminating ALL FORMS of LEGAL IMMIGRATION. So for them to act like they care about green card holders being displaced( which is a huge lie anyway) is just a bunch of CRAP.
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Old 08-08-2012, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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You're getting very reactionary to the challenge that the quoted paragraph from CIS is false:



Those 4.6 million are not processing at USCIS, they are in a holding pattern based on the quota of their visa category. From there, you are interjecting mistaken assumptions about USCIS receiving taxpayer funding, and not being able to hire enough personnel. And your entire argument is mock horror that those that aren't even legal immigrants yet are being delayed further.

Those potential legal immigrants are mostly Mexicans, from a country that has high illegal immigration characteristics (and "demand" that we speak Spanish). The categories are relations like adult siblings and their families of U.S. citizens. Family-based sponsorship, the larger group, doesn't even consider educational or occupational abilities of those coming into the U.S. economy.

They'll send their money to their true "home" once they are here...

But it sure is entertaining to see those that have proposed immigration moratoriums and absolutely no services until someone naturalizes protest all of a sudden that these potential immigrants might (incorrectly) have a longer wait time. What is so hard about living in those countries? An inconsistent stance just shows that just anything will be used as an argument.
For heaven's sake, stop acting like a petulant toddler. The 4.6 million have already been approved; and the "holding pattern" is in fact the "line" you constantly deny exists. Quotas aside, millions approved for entry will have to wait. For the umpteenth time, they do NOT have the resources to handle both the 1 million legal immigrants admitted annually, and process deferred action for an estimated 1.8 million Dreamies. This isn't rocket science. Something has to give, and unfortunately, it will be those going through legal channels.

There is no mistaken assumption. Taxpayers will be forced to foot the bill for hundreds of millions of dollars. After all, someone has to pay the thousands of dollars in fees being waived for Dreamies. Unless they increase the fees for legal immigrants to help defray the costs, highly unlikely, and unfair, it will naturally fall on taxpayers. If not taxpayers, than who?

We have already discussed the millions taxpayers will pay. . .
Taxpayers Get Ready to Pay Hundreds of Millions for Deferred Action for Dreamies

There is also no mistaken assumption regarding the inability of USCIS to hire staff to process Dreamies. I posted the freeze info. What didn't you understand? If Congress has frozen hiring for DHS, as a branch of DHS, USCIS is also included. Furthermore, I have already explained the lengthy hiring process for a sensitive security agency such as DHS. It is what it is. Moreover, even if they were authorized to hire new workers, taxpayers would still be left holding the bag for their expensive hiring process and wages. Or, did you not realize federal employees are paid through our taxes?

This isn't a discussion on remittances, immigration criteria, quotas, or family sponsorship. At issue is the fact that legal immigrants are being put on the back burner in favor of illegal aliens. Nor is it a discussion on individual views on a moratorium, or any other aspect of immigration. And, unlike you, I do not find this travesty the least bit entertaining.
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Old 08-08-2012, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Great post! The so called "anti-illegals" base most of their arguments on lies and misinformation. That is why they get all upset and offended when you call them out on it. Keep up the good work!!! CIS is the most biased and anti-immigrant organization founded by the well known racist John Tanton. They are for eliminating ALL FORMS of LEGAL IMMIGRATION. So for them to act like they care about green card holders being displaced( which is a huge lie anyway) is just a bunch of CRAP.
I wish I had time to respond to you. But, I don't. Check back later. Oh, and I will post from Pew Hispanic where they list CIS as one of their sources.
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Old 08-08-2012, 08:42 AM
 
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Great post! The so called "anti-illegals" base most of their arguments on lies and misinformation. That is why they get all upset and offended when you call them out on it. Keep up the good work!!! CIS is the most biased and anti-immigrant organization founded by the well known racist John Tanton. They are for eliminating ALL FORMS of LEGAL IMMIGRATION. So for them to act like they care about green card holders being displaced( which is a huge lie anyway) is just a bunch of CRAP.
I have read enough lies and misinformation from the other side to and they get offended also when called out on them. One of those lies is stating that illegal immigrants are only doing jobs that Americans won't do.

CIS isn't anti-immigrant. Like most sensible people they realize that immigration may need to be reduced in bad times. They do not desire a total end to legal immigration as you are claiming.
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