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Old 08-09-2012, 11:51 AM
 
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On the P&OC forum I wasn't asked, I was TOLD, to produce facts on a statement I had made. Basically I said that children born in the US to illegals are entitled to government welfare. And those babies, when they reach their teens, have a baby to get full blown welfare benefits for herself and her child(ren) and it becomes a cycle - welfare from cradle to grave.

No need to produce the fact that children born in the US to illegals qualify for welfare. One must live in a cave not to know that. To support the teen pregnancy statement I found the article below. It also discusses the education (or lack thereof). Here's the funny thing, this is from 2007 and the article states:

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Republican open-borders advocates tirelessly promote the myth that Hispanics will save the American family from the rising tide of illegitimacy and disintegration. None of these myth-makers has spent any time, it would appear, in the Los Angeles Unified School District, undoubtedly the most illegal alien-impacted school district in the county
Fast forward 2012: Replace Republican with Democrat. Because that's exactly how Obama sees things - Mexican illegals will save America.

Illegal Immigration's Family Breakdown | Conservative News, Views & Books


[QUOTE]“Most of the people I used to hang out with when I first came to the school have dropped out,” observed Jackie, a vivacious illegal alien from Guatemala, who is getting her GED at Belmont High School in Los Angeles’s overwhelmingly Hispanic, gang-ridden Rampart district. “Others got kicked out or got into drugs. Five graduated, and four home girls got pregnant.”[/quote]

Now, what are the odds that the girls from the "others got kicked out or got into drugs" wouldn't get pregnant?

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One of the “Hispanic family values” that is thriving is the importance of having children early and often. “It’s considered almost a badge of honor for a young girl to have a baby,

Not only has illegitimacy become perfectly acceptable, they say, but so has the resort to welfare and social services to cope with it.

The rate of childbirth for Mexican teenagers, who come from by far the largest and fastest-growing immigrant population, greatly outstrips every other group. The Mexican teen birthrate is 93 births per every 1,000 girls, compared with 27 births for every 1,000 white girls, 17 births for every 1,000 Asian girls, and 65 births for every 1,000 black girls
So in 2007 it was noted - the largest and fastest-growing population (by virtue of entering the country illegal and reproduction). I doubt much has changed with regard to the content of the article.

As Gomer Pyle would say: Surprise!!! Surprise!!! Surprise!!!!

 
Old 08-09-2012, 12:06 PM
 
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And, they are now scrambling to enroll in GED programs to qualify for Obama's deferred action amnesty. Of course, unlike other eligibility criteria, the policy doesn't require that they were already enrolled as of June 15th. They only have to be enrolled as of the date they submit their application. I wonder why.

This way, they can remain here without the fear of deportation, and continue to give birth to even more welfare jackpot babies. We all know there will be no follow-up on whether they actually complete the program. They will remain as ignorant as ever. And, the cycle will continue. . . .
 
Old 08-09-2012, 01:41 PM
 
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Well now, the WH would have us imagine hard working, college oriented future white collar workers whose status is preventing them from applying for high paying jobs in US corporations.

My how one can paint a picture if they use the right words.

Hispanic culture says a girl becomes a woman at 15 (Quinceañera)
 
Old 08-09-2012, 06:37 PM
 
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Don't be blinded by thinking we are just being invaded from south of the boarder when we have Illegals from Eastern Europe, Asia, Africa and others that abuse our system in growing numbers. These programs that the Obama administration has put in place will only increase the vicious cycle.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/19/us...rant-wave.html
 
Old 08-09-2012, 07:16 PM
 
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Hispanic culture says a girl becomes a woman at 15 (Quinceañera)
And in Jewish culture boys become men at 13. Your point here is what exactly?
 
Old 08-09-2012, 10:07 PM
 
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And, they are now scrambling to enroll in GED programs to qualify for Obama's deferred action amnesty. Of course, unlike other eligibility criteria, the policy doesn't require that they were already enrolled as of June 15th. They only have to be enrolled as of the date they submit their application. I wonder why.

This way, they can remain here without the fear of deportation, and continue to give birth to even more welfare jackpot babies. We all know there will be no follow-up on whether they actually complete the program. They will remain as ignorant as ever. And, the cycle will continue. . . .
The GED is now being offered in Spanish and it's a very dumbed down version of the GED. Obama made sure that the 3rd grade drop outs would be eligible for his amnesty -- only they'll be rubber stamping the GED's for them so they can get in line for decent paying jobs.
 
Old 08-10-2012, 02:43 AM
 
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Don't be blinded by thinking we are just being invaded from south of the boarder when we have Illegals from Eastern Europe, Asia, Africa and others that abuse our system in growing numbers. These programs that the Obama administration has put in place will only increase the vicious cycle.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/19/us...rant-wave.html
No one has discounted the fact that illegals are coming from all countries and that the invasion is only from south of the border.

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About 430,000 Asians — or 36 percent of all new immigrants, legal and illegal — moved to the United States in 2010, compared with 370,000 Hispanics, or 31 percent of all new arrivals, the study said. Just three years earlier, the ratio was reversed: about 390,000 Asians immigrated in 2007, compared with 540,000 Hispanics.

About 45 percent of Hispanic immigrants in the United States are here illegally compared with about 13 percent to 15 percent of Asian immigrants, Pew demographers found.

The findings are part of a study called “The Rise of Asian-Americans,” a comprehensive analysis of the Asian population in the United States.

Drawing on Census Bureau and other government data as well as telephone surveys from Jan. 3 to March 27 of more than 3,500 people of Asian descent, the 214-page study found that Asians are the highest-earning and best-educated racial group in the country.
Keep in mind that Asians and don't walk or drive across a border. They enter on visas and overstay, so the number of entries (growth) is probably fairly accurate. Whereas the number of Mexican illegals cannot be determined if there is no paperwork required to walk or drive across the border and enter the US illegally. For every illegal Mexican that enters without paperwork, that is an illegal unaccounted for. Even our government admits that they can't get an accurate number of illegals in the US. which means that the numbers the government provides (the one they want citizens to believe) is below reality. The government has kept the number of illegals at 12 million since 2007. How is that possible?

The focus in the article, for the most part, is on Asian-Americans, not illegal Asians. Clearly Asians are not government dependent and have very strong personal/family/work values.

This thread is more related to immigration than illegal immigration.
 
Old 08-10-2012, 02:58 AM
 
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And in Jewish culture boys become men at 13. Your point here is what exactly?
That applies to religious Jews. For boys (bar mitzvah), age 13, for girls, age 12 (bat mitzvah). It is a religious ceremony that celebrates the coming of age where they are morally and ethically responsible for their decisions (and their duty to observe their religion). It's a path to adulthood, not a license to procreate.
 
Old 08-10-2012, 10:28 AM
 
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No one has discounted the fact that illegals are coming from all countries and that the invasion is only from south of the border.



Keep in mind that Asians and don't walk or drive across a border. They enter on visas and overstay, so the number of entries (growth) is probably fairly accurate. Whereas the number of Mexican illegals cannot be determined if there is no paperwork required to walk or drive across the border and enter the US illegally. For every illegal Mexican that enters without paperwork, that is an illegal unaccounted for. Even our government admits that they can't get an accurate number of illegals in the US. which means that the numbers the government provides (the one they want citizens to believe) is below reality. The government has kept the number of illegals at 12 million since 2007. How is that possible?

The focus in the article, for the most part, is on Asian-Americans, not illegal Asians. Clearly Asians are not government dependent and have very strong personal/family/work values.

This thread is more related to immigration than illegal immigration.
I realize that. I was referring just to the illegal immigrant portion of the article and that all illegal’s are breaking our laws and should be put in the deportation process.

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And in Jewish culture boys become men at 13. Your point here is what exactly?
Don't see a lot of 13 year old jewish boys knocking up girls.
 
Old 08-10-2012, 01:38 PM
 
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Don't see a lot of 13 year old jewish boys knocking up girls.
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That applies to religious Jews. For boys (bar mitzvah), age 13, for girls, age 12 (bat mitzvah). It is a religious ceremony that celebrates the coming of age where they are morally and ethically responsible for their decisions (and their duty to observe their religion). It's a path to adulthood, not a license to procreate.
Precisely. Why does Happytexan imply Quinceañera is a license to procreate then? Similarly, are we to view Sweet Sixteens or other secular coming-of-age ceremonies differently?

Also Seinfeld showing that some jewish boys do seem to mistake what coming-to-age means.


Seinfeld - Elaine receives a kiss from a child - YouTube

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