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Old 10-04-2007, 02:36 PM
 
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Hey this is good news if we've got the Mexican government worried about a bunch of their own people coming back. Our efforts must be working! Gee, do you think they have any idea about how upset we've been in having to absorb all the costs associated with putting up with the illegals? No, hell no.

 
Old 10-04-2007, 02:37 PM
 
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You are ignorant of your own ignorance. That is all. The best part is that you have wrapped yourself up so tightly in your cloak of self-righteousness that you can't see the forest from the trees. Hopefully with age, you will find some wisdom.
what wisdom? that having a swimming pool should be a priority over humanitarianism, because the people demanding the luxuries had the fortune to be born in the united states? give me a break. sorry if i have a heart.
 
Old 10-04-2007, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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what wisdom? that having a swimming pool should be a priority over humanitarianism, because the people demanding the luxuries had the fortune to be born in the united states? give me a break. sorry if i have a heart.
Are you a college student or something? You don't normally see that sort of bleeding heart socialist idealism outside of a college campus.
 
Old 10-04-2007, 03:10 PM
 
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Are you a college student or something? You don't normally see that sort of bleeding heart socialist idealism outside of a college campus.
nope. i am currently in process to be enrolled in union schooling for electrician work. ive been working since i was 15.
 
Old 10-04-2007, 03:17 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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Are you a college student or something? You don't normally see that sort of bleeding heart socialist idealism outside of a college campus.
Actually, living in California, I get to be up close and personal to a slew of the sort you described. The irony of the situation is that they tend to be the most boor-headed, closeminded, and disdainful group. As long as you think exactly as they do, you're invited to bask in their idealism - the moment they realize you think differently you are cast to the wolves.
 
Old 10-04-2007, 03:21 PM
 
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Actually, living in California, I get to be up close and personal to a slew of the sort you described. The irony of the situation is that they tend to be the most boor-headed, closeminded, and disdainful group.
my ideals include unity, charity, and sharing. how is that close-minded at all? its quite the opposite. i welcome a variety of culture into my life!

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As long as you think exactly as they do, you're invited to bask in their idealism - the moment they realize you think differently you are cast to the wolves.
that happens on these boards. perspective! perspective! perspective!
 
Old 10-04-2007, 03:25 PM
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Location: Denver
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Actually, living in California, I get to be up close and personal to a slew of the sort you described. The irony of the situation is that they tend to be the most boor-headed, closeminded, and disdainful group. As long as you think exactly as they do, you're invited to bask in their idealism - the moment they realize you think differently you are cast to the wolves.
Hey I live in the Bay Area too, and yes liberals come in all shapes and sizes, as do conservatives. Stop generalizing.
 
Old 10-04-2007, 03:31 PM
 
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what wisdom? that having a swimming pool should be a priority over humanitarianism, because the people demanding the luxuries had the fortune to be born in the united states? give me a break. sorry if i have a heart.
Ghost, I'll stick my neck out here and ASSUME you're serious. You obviously DO have a heart, but apparently not too much perspective. The USA has done a tremendous amount of good for illegal immigrants; the fact that about 10% of Mexico is actually living here does, I think, speak volumes. We're doing a lot more for them than Mexico is.

Mexico is not a particularly poor country. It has two coasts, a benign climate, and huge mineral wealth, including silver and oil. Its problem is its ruthless, corrupt social system. A small group of wealthy oligarchs have had their foot on the throat of Mexican society for most of its history, and are perfectly content to watch as the poor, driven to desperation, see no remedy but to leave the country.

Most US citizens do not have swimming pools. But there's a fair number of Mexicans who do. Swimming pools, sports cars, jewelry, private planes, huge ranches, shopping trips to Europe, and gambling sprees in Las Vegas. You'd think they'd be embarrassed and ASHAMED at the plight of their destitute countrymen, but you'd be wrong. They just don't have that sort of compassion.

I have been close to this situation for decades, have known many illegals, and I'm a Catholic. But I have to tell you, GHOST, that my "guilt-trip" has just about run its course. There is a predatory class of wealthy Mexicans who feel it's their birthright to live off the misery of the poor, and who see no shame in "crying like a little girl" when it suits their purpose, in blaming the "bad" USA. I, for one, am no longer listening. The hypocrisy displayed in these people's position is nothing short of breathtaking. Yet many Americans (you, too, it seems) fall for these ill-founded rantings. We shouldn't, though, because we, and our generosity, are being taken advantage of by those who deny all responsibility..

The plight of the illegals in this country is heart-breaking, and it is truly shameful. It would trouble any decent human. But the shame is not America's, and it's not mine, either. I for one am out of the "guilt" business. It's time to assign blame where blame is due. And no, I do NOT have a swimming pool....
 
Old 10-04-2007, 03:41 PM
 
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Ghost, I'll stick my neck out here and ASSUME you're serious. You obviously DO have a heart, but apparently not too much perspective. The USA has done a tremendous amount of good for illegal immigrants; the fact that about 10% of Mexico is actually living here does, I think, speak volumes. We're doing a lot more for them than Mexico is.
i agree. but their problems are obviously becoming ours, so a sensible course of action would be to influence the mexican government in a way that would benefit both the average mexican, and in turn, benefit the united states. babysitting isnt going to fix the problem. we need to make the parent responsible so we dont have to babysit.

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Mexico is not a particularly poor country. It has two coasts, a benign climate, and huge mineral wealth, including silver and oil. Its problem is its ruthless, corrupt social system. A small group of wealthy oligarchs have had their foot on the throat of Mexican society for most of its history, and are perfectly content to watch as the poor, driven to desperation, see no remedy but to leave the country.
exactly! you understand the root of the problem. and that is where the solution lies.

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Most US citizens do not have swimming pools. But there's a fair number of Mexicans who do. Swimming pools, sports cars, jewelry, private planes, huge ranches, shopping trips to Europe, and gambling sprees in Las Vegas. You'd think they'd be embarrassed and ASHAMED at the plight of their destitute countrymen, but you'd be wrong. They just don't have that sort of compassion.
i never claimed that all members of any racial or national group were all well-intentioned or fair. i just dont attribute it to their race or nationality. i agree that the compassionless people of ALL colors should be embarassed and ashamed.

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I have been close to this situation for decades, have known many illegals, and I'm a Catholic. But I have to tell you, GHOST, that my "guilt-trip" has just about run its course. There is a predatory class of wealthy Mexicans who feel it's their birthright to live off the misery of the poor, and who see no shame in "crying like a little girl" when it suits their purpose, in blaming the "bad" USA. I, for one, am no longer listening. The hypocrisy displayed in these people's position is nothing short of breathtaking. Yet many Americans (you, too, it seems) fall for these ill-founded rantings. We shouldn't, though, because we, and our generosity, are being taken advantage of by those who deny all responsibility..
we are surely being taken advantage of by some, but not all. fix the problem at its root, and the guilt-trippers won't have a leg to stand on.

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The plight of the illegals in this country is heart-breaking, and it is truly shameful. It would trouble any decent human. But the shame is not America's, and it's not mine, either. I for one am out of the "guilt" business. It's time to assign blame where blame is due. And no, I do NOT have a swimming pool....

i believe in assigning blame to the government. but expecting the people of mexico to pursue violent recourse when we, as their neighbor, have the means of achieving the same end diplomatically, and without bloodshed, is just ridiculous. why do they need to die?
 
Old 10-04-2007, 03:47 PM
 
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It might take violent uprising there. If not maybe a Castro, Pinochet, or Chavez is the answer. At this point something is needed.
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