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Old 08-13-2012, 04:20 PM
 
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Of course we'll hear the whining from the illegal alien hispandering news stations such as MSNBC. They'll even go so far as to interview the angry ones. But at this point who cares? I think Romney's choice will bring out those of us who are fed up with the pandering and who want out laws enforced and our country back to the polls in droves.
Blah Blah Blah! what the hell is this crap anyways of writes off Hispanic Voters. Why should one group of people at any one time, be more important then another.

That is what is meant by this statement.

Should it not be any more, The population as a whole, and not target one group. When you kiss one group's a-- and pander to them, you make them more powerful. I thought as people we were all equal, but clearly not the case being made.
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Old 08-13-2012, 04:48 PM
 
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Blah Blah Blah! what the hell is this crap anyways of writes off Hispanic Voters. Why should one group of people at any one time, be more important then another.

That is what is meant by this statement.

Should it not be any more, The population as a whole, and not target one group. When you kiss one group's a-- and pander to them, you make them more powerful. I thought as people we were all equal, but clearly not the case being made.
I agree that no one group should be considered more worthy than another, especially if said group has no right to be in this country. Let their ethnocentric friends and family members whine all they want. After all aiding and abetting is still a crime, they can all be jailed together and discuss their options of leaving together when their illegal alien friends and family are deported.
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Old 08-13-2012, 06:41 PM
 
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Romney Writes Off Hispanic Voters In Selecting Paul Ryan for Ticket

I firmly believe that the conservative non ethnocentric, non racist taxpaying Americans of hispanic descent (particulary Cubans) will vote for the republican ticket. With all of the angry, unemployed newly homeless Americans in this country, coupled with all of those who are so over Obama's shuckin' and jivin' charisma, the media may feel that this is a negative for the Romney ticket but I don't. The fact that Romney chose an anti-illegal alien/amnesty running mate feels my heart with joy. If enough of us angry beavers get to the polls and vote against the amnesty chief we just might get our laws enforced and our country back!
It's the older Cuban Americans that vote Republican. Younger Cubans tend to vote Democratic. By Romney not bringing in Rubio...he most likely lost the younger crowd.

Lousy poll numbers, Cuban-Americans and Obama in Florida

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Cuban-Americans may represent the percentage points President Obama needs to win Florida next year. Yes, you’ve read it correctly: Cuban-Americans voting for a democrat.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:13 PM
 
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It's the older Cuban Americans that vote Republican. Younger Cubans tend to vote Democratic. By Romney not bringing in Rubio...he most likely lost the younger crowd.

Lousy poll numbers, Cuban-Americans and Obama in Florida
Obama may have lost a LOT of the Black vote for 2012 and many "Hispanics" don't want Obama as POTUS either. Many anglo whites WILL vote for Romney even tho he's a "Mexican" American.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:58 PM
 
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Most "hispanics" are very liberal -- they wouldn't vote for a Republican no matter what. About 20% of hispanics are conservative and will vote for the same issues that other conservatives vote for. 70% of hispanics are out-and-out liberal, they want very big government, they want their welfare handouts, they like all that tax the rich, the promise of free healthcare, abortion and the whole liberal agenda.
No. Most Hispanics are not liberal. They are economically liberal because most, like black people, are poor. The older Hispanics, the ones likely to vote, for more socially conservative and that is where the Democratic Party is going to take them. The Institutional Revolutionary Party of Mexico (PRI) is basically more like the GOP than the Democrats. Even Mexico's center-left party (by their standards, and that's the PRI) doesn't support a huge welfare state nor the liberal social agenda. It's only here that they become radicalized to the left because Univisión and Telemundo news are the CNN and MSNBC of Spanish news.

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Romney Writes Off Hispanic Voters In Selecting Paul Ryan for Ticket

I firmly believe that the conservative non ethnocentric, non racist taxpaying Americans of hispanic descent (particulary Cubans) will vote for the republican ticket. With all of the angry, unemployed newly homeless Americans in this country, coupled with all of those who are so over Obama's shuckin' and jivin' charisma, the media may feel that this is a negative for the Romney ticket but I don't. The fact that Romney chose an anti-illegal alien/amnesty running mate feels my heart with joy. If enough of us angry beavers get to the polls and vote against the amnesty chief we just might get our laws enforced and our country back!
Yeah, I'm still gonna vote for Romney/Paul no matter what anyone says. I like Ryan better than Rubio anyway, and I'm Hispanic. But, that doesn't matter for me. If a Hispanic ran for the GOP nomination and he says he wants amnesty, I'm not voting for him
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Old 08-14-2012, 01:52 AM
 
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The Institutional Revolutionary Party of Mexico (PRI) is basically more like the GOP than the Democrats. Even Mexico's center-left party (by their standards, and that's the PRI) doesn't support a huge welfare state nor the liberal social agenda.
PAN is more comparable to the Republican Party than PRI. Let's never forget it was under PRI that we saw the establishment of Pemex. That is most certainly not the sort of thing you'd see from the Republican Party here, for all their faults. Mexico has always been a leftist country.

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It's only here that they become radicalized to the left because Univisión and Telemundo news are the CNN and MSNBC of Spanish news.
Mexico was a major ally to Republican Spain during the Spanish Civil War, along with the USSR. It also housed Trotsky and his wife when they fled from Soviet Russia. At various times the Mexican government or individuals have aided Castro and Che in their fights to bring socialism to Latin America. Benito Juarez, one of Mexico's more praised Presidents, is also one of the most popular figures for socialists around the world. Benito Mussolini's socialist parents named him after the former. Southern Mexico is still plagued by those damned Zapatistas.

Don't get me wrong. Univision and Telemundo are certainly filled with left wingers, but Mexico proper isn't exactly a conservative-land.

Now Argentina on the other hand is certainly a conservative country. Chile to a lesser extent goes between liberal and conservative. Mexico though? It is the failed baby of democratic socialism.
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:19 AM
 
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Exactly! It won't make a bit of difference who occupies the White House, because nothing will be done. Illegal immigration is now considered a "civil rights" issue, and only "racists" oppose these fine folks.
We know that Obama will take his plan forward. He isn't even talking about illegals and what he is doing for them while campaigning. Why isn't he tell his citizen base exactly what he is doing for illegals.

Do you think Obama would have gotten the vote from people who were paying attention with their ears and using their brains, rather than their eyes, if he actually told people what his plan was - how he was going to unleash criminals on citizens and give them a path to legal residency? That he was going to stop ICE agents from doing their job? That he was going to give illegals the freedom to commit crimes repeatedly? That he would be expunging cirminal records? That he was going to give 1 million (probably close to 2 million) work visas as temporary passports to remain in the US? Knowing that, would he be where he is today?

As for Mitt, well, do you think it would help him if he has a different approach not as favorable for illegals, which he may very well have?
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:25 AM
 
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PAN is more comparable to the Republican Party than PRI. Let's never forget it was under PRI that we saw the establishment of Pemex. That is most certainly not the sort of thing you'd see from the Republican Party here, for all their faults. Mexico has always been a leftist country.



Mexico was a major ally to Republican Spain during the Spanish Civil War, along with the USSR. It also housed Trotsky and his wife when they fled from Soviet Russia. At various times the Mexican government or individuals have aided Castro and Che in their fights to bring socialism to Latin America. Benito Juarez, one of Mexico's more praised Presidents, is also one of the most popular figures for socialists around the world. Benito Mussolini's socialist parents named him after the former. Southern Mexico is still plagued by those damned Zapatistas.

Don't get me wrong. Univision and Telemundo are certainly filled with left wingers, but Mexico proper isn't exactly a conservative-land.

Now Argentina on the other hand is certainly a conservative country. Chile to a lesser extent goes between liberal and conservative. Mexico though? It is the failed baby of democratic socialism.
Errrr, Americans aren't really interested what is happening in South American countries. We have multiple cirses right in our own country. Illegal immigrants being one of them.
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Old 08-14-2012, 05:21 AM
 
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Exactly! It won't make a bit of difference who occupies the White House, because nothing will be done. Illegal immigration is now considered a "civil rights" issue, and only "racists" oppose these fine folks.
I disagree if Romney loses I think amnesty is pretty much a certainty. The GOP will be forced by the media and advisors to acknowledge demographic reality and work with Dems on this issue.

If Romney wins I can picture him doing an Eisenhower, and get real tough on illegals. This could be the last time the GOP can halt the demographic destiny the media is fond of.
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Old 08-14-2012, 07:15 AM
 
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Most hispanics are liberal in the same way most blacks are liberal. A lot of blacks are actually not all that liberal when you talk to them and find out what they say they believe but they'll turn around and vote for the most liberal politicians.

It gets difficult when trying to compare political parties with those of other nations because for example in the USA, conservative generally means a conservative interpretation of the Constitution, liberals believe it's a "living" document which changes as convenient to their goals -- so they even interpret the Constitution to say that there can be no limits at all placed on immigration.

Mexico's parties should be judged in relationship to Mexico's culture and laws. In that way PRI is actually conservative because it wants to conserve the laws established for the winning group of the Revolution -- and obviously that was not the campesinos but they were fooled into thinking they had won.

PAN wants changes to Mexico's centralist form of government and wants less centralization of power which as far as Mexico is a radical notion, PRD could even be considered Conservative because it wants a return to Mexico's traditional ejido system and centralist government. The democrat party appeals most to the former PRI voters coming over from Mexico because it reminds them most of the party they always voted for, the notion of taking from the rich and giving to them -- reminds them of home -- even though the poor really don't advance back there, they believe in the party and it's promises.

What we would consider to be Conservatives left Mexico back in the days of Santa Ana's rule and again back in the days of the Mexican Revolution when the PRI party took over.
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