"Undocumented" Immigrants Can't Practice Law, Justice Department Argues (birth, illegal immigrants)

[Liquid Reigns]

Originally Posted by sharingan99

dude, he was a KID when he come over, what is he supposed to do, up and move back to mexico with no friends, family or support network? Hey, I'm just saying, if you can do that and go to a country that you never really know, you have to be one bad ***** mother ******. Anyways, at least he got a degree and he's trying to do something better for himself, which is better than probably the lot of you.

You are making an assumption he has no family, friends, or a support network in Mexico. People move all the time from country to country, I went to Germany with absolutely no family or friends there and lived at 18. I also lived in Belgium and Portugal. Your assumption is now irrelevant.

At least he got a degree, that is well and fine, bettering himself isn't the issue. Attacking posters in here with snark shows your own ignorance.

Originally Posted by sharingan99

and if it was you and you were dragged here illegally, tell me what YOU would do about YOUR situation. Oh this should be good...

As I reached the age of maturity and realized my parents had brought me here illegally, I would ask about immediate family back home. If my grandparents are still alive or if I have brothers or sisters still there, I would contact them and see if I could live with them for some time. I would apply for a visa to return to the US if possible or take classes and job training that would allow me to obtain a TN visa or even a student visa. Once here I could apply for AoS and attempt to become an LPR/GC holder and eventually a citizen, provided I chose to come back here. My parents may have moved back to Mexico in those few short years, so I may have no need or desire to go back to the USA. Hell, I may actually decide to travel to other countries and live there.

Even Plyler v Doe admits that children can be deported if they are here illegally, as deportation is not a punishment.

The only reason you are coming up with your scenario is simply because you claim he has no family or friends elsewhere. You are claiming he is afraid to leave the security of his environment but you fail to accept he may actually like the outer environments once he is introduced to them.

This from the linked OP article:

Garcia came to the U.S. from Mexico when he was 17 months old, returned to his homeland with his family when he was 9 and reentered the country with family members when he was 17. .... Garcia's father, who the state bar said is now a U.S. citizen, applied for a green card for his son 18 years ago. The application is still pending.

So he re-entered illegally into the US at 17 with family members because his father applied for a GC for him then and he is still waiting on it. Looks to me that he has family in Mexico still. Well, his GC application should be dropped and he should be deported with a life time ban from the second EWI.

This part of the article is excellent guidance for him:

Harris said Garcia could work outside the country, advising clients about state and federal law, or in California if he did not charge fees.

[VLWH]

My outrage is mostly directed towards the dems in California who are spending the time working for the illegal immIgrants and neglect the legal residences. They actually spent time to make up signs and hold press conferences on what they call California Bar Dream.

[Eleanora1]

Originally Posted by sharingan99

You could have saved yourself the 15 mins it took to type all this out. I wanted to know people's responses to what would they would do if they were in the situation, however, all you have done is just turn this around which was not the intent or purpose. You did not answer the question at all.

I am not an illegal. I am an American citizen. As such I am under no legal or moral obligation to answer questions from the illegal alien point of view. Like many such defenders of illegals you like to pretend there's both only one side to this issue and that the actions of illegal aliens have no possible negative consequences. Illegals and their defenders always think others should think about their needs and their needs only. That's both selfish and profoundly naive.

Your little attempt at gotcha doesn't work. It presumes that American laws should take into account the needs and desires of foreign nationals. Worse, it presumes that Americans should absorb the costs of such selfish behavior even to their own economic detriment.

[sharingan99]

Originally Posted by Eleanora1

And what if it were YOUR schools suffering with budget cuts so people who are breaking the law can get their children educated at YOUR expense? What would YOU do? What if it were YOUR wages being cut or YOUR taxes raised to benefit foreigners thumbing their noses at YOUR laws?

What would you do?

You know, im going to answer this after thinking about it, for one, I don't have kids, so the schools do not affect me at this point. I do not own a home so I don't pay city taxes so they are not educated at my expense, but let's just say they were, I would be ok with it...and why? because after seeing schools and the way some brats here are in this country, I am sure they would APPRECIATE the education a lot better than the kids that are in this country. I can't turn on the television without seeing some mishap happen to either another student, educator, bus driver aide, or parent because of a student. As for my wages being cut, that won't happen either. I have to be paid a minimum salary so there goes that.

I have never seen foreigners "make fun of" or "thumb down their noses" at our laws. While I was born in this country, the intelligence of my american brethen make me want to run and hide. This country was founded by immigrants and protestants who left because they were pansies and couldn't hack it in their main country. Now, the descendents of these people, put down another group of people for trying to make their lives economically better. The descendents in this country left their homes for economic and religious reasons. So they didn't even try to fix things in their own country either. It's like calling the kettle black so to speak

Oh how i cringe when i have to again read about americans and how they b1t*h and complain about the economy. No american is allowed as far as i am concerned to do that..why? Because of this...

U.S. shoppers taking to Facebook to complain about Canadians at Costco

this is the post where AMERICANS complained about CANADIANS shopping at their store. God, people are stupid, don't they realize that the money SPENT here STAYS here? On top of that hundreds of thousands of mexicans citizens do the SAME thing at the border. This country already is no longer number 1, I just wish people would get used to it and realize that. I checked currencies today and the australian dollar, canadian dollar, and british pound were all worth more than the dollar. If people would quit complaining about things that they cannot change and work on the things that they can, then maybe this country would be a better place to live, however, I don't see that happening anytime soon

[sharingan99]

Originally Posted by Eleanora1

I am not an illegal. I am an American citizen. As such I am under no legal or moral obligation to answer questions from the illegal alien point of view. Like many such defenders of illegals you like to pretend there's both only one side to this issue and that the actions of illegal aliens have no possible negative consequences. Illegals and their defenders always think others should think about their needs and their needs only. That's both selfish and profoundly naive.

Your little attempt at gotcha doesn't work. It presumes that American laws should take into account the needs and desires of foreign nationals. Worse, it presumes that Americans should absorb the costs of such selfish behavior even to their own economic detriment.

You are not under any moral or legal obligation, you are right about that, but your refusal to answer the question justifies the fact that you know you would be screwed if it was you, and I doubt you would go back to your country. I only wanted to make people think, apparently, that is not your strong point I presume. I am not defending anyone, I am just trying to make people think about the problem in a different way.

Oh btw, did you know that latinos outspend whites and blacks? Is that also not "giving back" to our country?

[Liquid Reigns]

Originally Posted by sharingan99

You know, im going to answer this after thinking about it, for one, I don't have kids, so the schools do not affect me at this point. I do not own a home so I don't pay city taxes so they are not educated at my expense, but let's just say they were, I would be ok with it...and why? because after seeing schools and the way some brats here are in this country, I am sure they would APPRECIATE the education a lot better than the kids that are in this country. I can't turn on the television without seeing some mishap happen to either another student, educator, bus driver aide, or parent because of a student. As for my wages being cut, that won't happen either. I have to be paid a minimum salary so there goes that.

I have never seen foreigners "make fun of" or "thumb down their noses" at our laws. While I was born in this country, the intelligence of my american brethen make me want to run and hide. This country was founded by immigrants and protestants who left because they were pansies and couldn't hack it in their main country. Now, the descendents of these people, put down another group of people for trying to make their lives economically better. The descendents in this country left their homes for economic and religious reasons. So they didn't even try to fix things in their own country either. It's like calling the kettle black so to speak

Whether you rent or own, you have money that goes towards their education from property tax. Then always stay at that minimum wage, never get a raise etc.

You talk about intelligence yet you don't even understand that whether you own or rent, some of your monthly payment goes to property tax that pays for schooling. You can't even get history correct. This country was founded by sharecroppers and explorers. The pilgrims came over for religious freedom after obtaining the authorization of the King of England. It was later that the US Gov't invited immigrants to come here and began expanding the nation. Not all immigrants could hack it, 1/3 eventually went back.

[Liquid Reigns]

Originally Posted by sharingan99

Oh btw, did you know that latinos outspend whites and blacks? Is that also not "giving back" to our country?

You are aware that it is only in certain categories and not overall, right.

I understand you standing up for your ethnicity (1/2 Hispanic), but at least be honest.

[Eleanora1]

Originally Posted by sharingan99

You know, im going to answer this after thinking about it, for one, I don't have kids, so the schools do not affect me at this point. I do not own a home so I don't pay city taxes so they are not educated at my expense, but let's just say they were, I would be ok with it...and why? because after seeing schools and the way some brats here are in this country, I am sure they would APPRECIATE the education a lot better than the kids that are in this country. I can't turn on the television without seeing some mishap happen to either another student, educator, bus driver aide, or parent because of a student. As for my wages being cut, that won't happen either. I have to be paid a minimum salary so there goes that.

Well I do have kids. I do pay taxes. And I'm tired of being told by the pro-illegal crowd that my kid's education should be sacrificed to meet the needs of foreigners. I'm also tired of naive fools who feel free to insult my kids and imply they're stupid and lazy.

You're completely wrong on this issue. If illegals value education so much, how come their high school drop out rates are so much higher than many Americans? How come their college attendance is so much lower? Why are their test scores at the bottom of the scale?



You don't think about this issue. And then you have the nerve to get mad at those of us who do.

I have never seen foreigners "make fun of" or "thumb down their noses" at our laws. While I was born in this country, the intelligence of my american brethen make me want to run and hide. This country was founded by immigrants and protestants who left because they were pansies and couldn't hack it in their main country. Now, the descendents of these people, put down another group of people for trying to make their lives economically better. The descendents in this country left their homes for economic and religious reasons. So they didn't even try to fix things in their own country either. It's like calling the kettle black so to speak

Illegals do that constantly. They forge documents, drive without licenses and whine we don't speak Spanish. They have so much contempt for this country yet they want us to let them stay.

This country was founded by legal immigrants. Legal immigrants who were expected to learn English, not allowed to tap into any kind of safety nets and firmly told that if they could not make it here they were sent home. Today illegals sneak into this country and then demand all sorts of benefits for having done so. It's insulting to the compare the two groups.

If they want to make their lives better let them stay home and work on a better Mexico. My ancestors did not come here in the middle of the Great Depression and make demands on Americans. I have no idea why so many illegals think we should put their needs above the needs of our own citizens.

There is no kettle. There isn't even a pot.

Most illegals aren't even that poor by world standards. They're largely Mexicans. Mexico has the world's 12th largest economy and it's second highest obesity rates. If anything Mexicans should be doing more to help citizens of other nations who are frankly much poorer. But most illegals are fundamentally selfish racists so they wouldn't dream of doing so.

Oh how i cringe when i have to again read about americans and how they b1t*h and complain about the economy. No american is allowed as far as i am concerned to do that..why? Because of this...

U.S. shoppers taking to Facebook to complain about Canadians at Costco

this is the post where AMERICANS complained about CANADIANS shopping at their store. God, people are stupid, don't they realize that the money SPENT here STAYS here? On top of that hundreds of thousands of mexicans citizens do the SAME thing at the border. This country already is no longer number 1, I just wish people would get used to it and realize that. I checked currencies today and the australian dollar, canadian dollar, and british pound were all worth more than the dollar. If people would quit complaining about things that they cannot change and work on the things that they can, then maybe this country would be a better place to live, however, I don't see that happening anytime soon

I feel the same way. Mexicans should make their own country a better place to live instead of complaining about American behavior.

[Eleanora1]

Originally Posted by sharingan99

You are not under any moral or legal obligation, you are right about that, but your refusal to answer the question justifies the fact that you know you would be screwed if it was you, and I doubt you would go back to your country. I only wanted to make people think, apparently, that is not your strong point I presume. I am not defending anyone, I am just trying to make people think about the problem in a different way.

Oh btw, did you know that latinos outspend whites and blacks? Is that also not "giving back" to our country?

Mexicans hail from the world's 12th largest economy. They have national health care, a five percent unemployment rate, the world's second highest obesity rate and it's richest man. By world standards most Mexicans are hardly screwed.

Maybe YOU should think before you post?



Maybe Mexicans should be welcoming more immigrants to THEIR shores? Especially as much of the world is a lot less wealthy than most Mexicans? The biggest problem many Mexicans face is their own failure to make their society a better place. Instead of making reasonable demands on their own damned government they are content to make demands on people like me. Worse, to call me all sorts of nasty names when I dare resist.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by sharingan99

You know, im going to answer this after thinking about it, for one, I don't have kids, so the schools do not affect me at this point. I do not own a home so I don't pay city taxes so they are not educated at my expense, but let's just say they were, I would be ok with it...and why? because after seeing schools and the way some brats here are in this country, I am sure they would APPRECIATE the education a lot better than the kids that are in this country. I can't turn on the television without seeing some mishap happen to either another student, educator, bus driver aide, or parent because of a student. As for my wages being cut, that won't happen either. I have to be paid a minimum salary so there goes that.

I have never seen foreigners "make fun of" or "thumb down their noses" at our laws. While I was born in this country, the intelligence of my american brethen make me want to run and hide. This country was founded by immigrants and protestants who left because they were pansies and couldn't hack it in their main country. Now, the descendents of these people, put down another group of people for trying to make their lives economically better. The descendents in this country left their homes for economic and religious reasons. So they didn't even try to fix things in their own country either. It's like calling the kettle black so to speak

Oh how i cringe when i have to again read about americans and how they b1t*h and complain about the economy. No american is allowed as far as i am concerned to do that..why? Because of this...

U.S. shoppers taking to Facebook to complain about Canadians at Costco

this is the post where AMERICANS complained about CANADIANS shopping at their store. God, people are stupid, don't they realize that the money SPENT here STAYS here? On top of that hundreds of thousands of mexicans citizens do the SAME thing at the border. This country already is no longer number 1, I just wish people would get used to it and realize that. I checked currencies today and the australian dollar, canadian dollar, and british pound were all worth more than the dollar. If people would quit complaining about things that they cannot change and work on the things that they can, then maybe this country would be a better place to live, however, I don't see that happening anytime soon

It's really disturbing to see you stereotyping Americans in such a negative way. Every nation has their good people and their bad. If you own a home you are paying property taxes. Those taxes are designed to support our schools. Having to educate foreingers that are here illegally in our country and many whom have to be taught in ESL classes does increase the tax needs for our schools. Your taxes are also increasing paying for their healthcare and other social costs.

I don't know what you do for a living but illegal immigrants are impacting the job prospects for low wage earners who are citizens of this country. Even where construction work used to pay a pretty good wage those wages have been reduced by the supply of illegal immigrant workers.

If crossing our border illegally, working here illegally, driving without a license and using fake ID isn't thumbing their noses at our laws then I don't what is. You just use the word foreingers but the discussion is about illegal immigrants.

The Europeans who came over here did not break any immigration laws to do so. You may think those coming here illegally today are justified just because they came for the same reasons as they did but not according to our laws. Their reasons are irrelevant. What is relevant is our laws.

We have many problems in our country. One of which is illegal immigration. We can change the talking heads in Washington in the voting booth and we will. Curbing illegal immigration is one of the things that will make our country a better place to live not granting amnesty after amnesty.