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Old 08-14-2012, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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What I'm saying, is that in my experience, immigrant workers are willing to go way and beyond the normal workday. Locals are not because they clock out. But they charge you enormous fees. And who makes $3 and hour, certainly no one I know.

And who had a massive pay decrease. You're not making sense.

And I ordered pizza because these guys worked until 9 at night. It was the decent thing to do.
As the most posted person on this thread I wonder if you have taken the trouble to figure out how much money the US government stands to make if all 1.8 million of those people apply for the goodies. In the link I read that they have to pay $465 per person and if they don't get the goodies then they can apply again at the same rate. Anyway, with my old fashioned multiplication I figured out that the government will get about $917 million from these people.

I don't know if this is enough money to take care of the people handling the processing but it sure is a pile of money collected from them.
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Old 08-14-2012, 09:57 PM
 
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where I live, each day over your visa you get a $5 fine.

on top of that you need to pay an extra admin fine, and fees for missed visas.

That adds up to a lot if you've overstayed for a couple of years or more.
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Old 08-14-2012, 09:59 PM
 
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Let's play a game.

Imagine, if you will, that you discover you were never born in this country, but rather, your parents brought you here when you were four on a boat from Lithuania.

At the ripe old age of 44 years of age, your life settled, would you rather be deported to Lithania, or have amnesty for having lived and worked here for the past forty years of your life?

Imagine if you were 30.

26?

15?

Why is one okay and the other not?
if you were 44 and been working most of the time paying taxes etc.., then you could be shown some leniency but for those who are only 15 or 26 I think not - as they haven't had the chance to contribute much yet.

so they need shipping off to their own lands unless they have something specific to offer.
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:01 PM
 
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[quote=Kenneth-Kaunda;25641989]if you were 44 and been working most of the time paying taxes etc.., then you could be shown some leniency but for those who are only 15 or 26 I think not - as they haven't had the chance to contribute much yet.

so they need shipping off to their own lands unless they have something specific to offer.[/QUOTE]


How about intelligence, unlike some here have to offer
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:01 PM
 
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What I'm saying, is that in my experience, immigrant workers are willing to go way and beyond the normal workday. Locals are not because they clock out. But they charge you enormous fees. And who makes $3 and hour, certainly no one I know.
that's a gross generalisation but even so , so what?

why should a local get stiffed on a lower wage rate just because people from dysfunctional 3rd World regimes are prepared to work for less?
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:04 PM
 
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if you were 44 and been working most of the time paying taxes etc.., then you could be shown some leniency but for those who are only 15 or 26 I think not - as they haven't had the chance to contribute much yet.

so they need shipping off to their own lands unless they have something specific to offer.
They've been here since they were four. What makes you think this isn't their land?
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:09 PM
 
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I feel there must be some kind of minimum residency duration requirement.

say around 20 years or so.

so if here from ages 4-15, that would not be long enough.
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:13 PM
 
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I feel there must be some kind of minimum residency duration requirement.

say around 20 years or so.

so if here from ages 4-15, that would not be long enough.
These people spent their most formative years in the U.S. Sending them back to a nation to a language they don't speak on a culture they don't understand is just short of psychotic.
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa?
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The Dream Act lets children of illegals go to secondary education at in-state rates. They are not currently excluded from attending the schools. Why should they get a better rate than a student, from a neighboring state, who has no legal issues with his or her residency?
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:26 PM
 
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These people spent their most formative years in the U.S. Sending them back to a nation to a language they don't speak on a culture they don't understand is just short of psychotic.
not at all - they could learn the local language, let's say it is Lithuanian, and provide work for native Lithuanian language teachers at night school.

Then they could get work at restaurants and diners, or perhaps even teach English to local students.

isn't that what the immigrants do the other way round - so all is fair here.
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