Obama's Dream Act (website, illegal immigrants, laws, prison)

[Kenneth-Kaunda]

Originally Posted by Cruzincat

The Dream Act lets children of illegals go to secondary education at in-state rates. They are not currently excluded from attending the schools. Why should they get a better rate than a student, from a neighboring state, who has no legal issues with his or her residency?

that is a good point.


but remember, an illegal is always more important than a local - because they help to create jobs and wealth

Rich people love illegals because they can hire cheap submissive servants.

[Harrier]

This should get the president impeached.

[Konraden]

Originally Posted by Kenneth-Kaunda

not at all - they could learn the local language, let's say it is Lithuanian, and provide work for native Lithuanian language teachers at night school.

Then they could get work at restaurants and diners, or perhaps even teach English to local students.

isn't that what the immigrants do the other way round - so all is fair here.

If you spend your life speaking English in an this country with an American culture, you're as American as you or I. Forcing these people into hostile and unknown lands because you feel vaguely threatened by their existence is morally reprehensible.

[sacredgrooves]

Originally Posted by Konraden

They've been here since they were four. What makes you think this isn't their land?

The law.

[Kenneth-Kaunda]

Originally Posted by Konraden

If you spend your life speaking English in an this country with an American culture, you're as American as you or I. Forcing these people into hostile and unknown lands because you feel vaguely threatened by their existence is morally reprehensible.

how long would you say the time period should be to qualify?

[Konraden]

Originally Posted by Kenneth-Kaunda

how long would you say the time period should be to qualify?

Subjective. If you're brought here when you're five and you get deported when you're seven, still young and formative. If you're brought here when you're two and are deported at age 16, clearly a problem.

[Kenneth-Kaunda]

perhaps if there were some kind of reciprocal agreement with the other nation then perhaps?

otherwise, it just seems like one-way traffic again.

[Konraden]

Originally Posted by Kenneth-Kaunda

perhaps if there were some kind of reciprocal agreement with the other nation then perhaps?

otherwise, it just seems like one-way traffic again.

It's why we need some liberal guest-worker programs. A lot of migrant workers would go home off-season, but it's expensive and risky to cross the border. Our corporations want the cheap labor, we consumers want cheap goods, and we'd see a lot of benefits to legalized "illegal" labor. We'd be better off with programs that more or less allowed these workers to move back and forth easier. The criminal element to border crossings is a result of the prohibition effect--same as with drugs--and the solution is "legalization and regulation."

[softblueyz]

Originally Posted by natalie469

It's no one's fault. And your taxes go to a lot of things that I'm sure you don't support or believe in. To most of these kids the US is all they know as home. You can't be so heartless can you?

Oh please. An illegal can be as old as 30 to get a work visa. I bet you can count of plenty of them having come to the US on their own when they were 18, 19 or older, so it would be hard to claim the US is the only country they know. All they have to do is show documentation to prove they have been in the country for 5 years. Using forged documents isn not unusual with illegals. Do you really think there will be time to determine if the documents they submit are original?

And to make it easier, "certain" crimes are being waived to allow them to get the work visa. What crimes hasn't been announced. What has been announced is that Obama has instructed that a new definition to misdemeanor be found, apparently to lessen a crime. That translates into giving passage to criminals.

[softblueyz]

Originally Posted by roysoldboy

As the most posted person on this thread I wonder if you have taken the trouble to figure out how much money the US government stands to make if all 1.8 million of those people apply for the goodies. In the link I read that they have to pay $465 per person and if they don't get the goodies then they can apply again at the same rate. Anyway, with my old fashioned multiplication I figured out that the government will get about $917 million from these people.

I don't know if this is enough money to take care of the people handling the processing but it sure is a pile of money collected from them.

Apparently you didn't factor in the loss. There will be waivers to the "needy" who can't afford the $465. And I bet there are plenty of "needy". Government isn't going to see much, if anything, when you factor in that staff needs to be brought in (salaries and benefits) to process the applications and the lost revenue from the waivers. Whatever is left willl be recycled into their monthly government benefits.

Bloomberg (NY) already set up a "grant" (as in funding) for people to assist the illegals with the applications. Something like $450,000. So it's already costing the taxpayer.

The only revenue, which I'm sure will be considerable, is that if they want to travel there is the $360 travel fee they would have to pay - to go back to visit family in a country that is "foreign" to them.