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Old 08-19-2012, 08:32 AM
 
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The illegals have always rejected using IDs that cant be faked or loaned to a friend and friends. The people coming forward need to be locked into just one name and ID for the rest of their lives. We got to get a data base on them. Every person in the USA should have his fingerprints on record...Stop all this no name no ID no nuthin and lets make them have one name . The illegals don't want to be in no stinkin data base.
Absolutely nothing in the Obama amnesty makes them use a real name or address. You're absolutely correct and nothing stops someone from applying for a work visa under many names.

Just like the border crossing card that lets them come over whenever they please -- the government promised it couldn't be used fraudulently and it's one of the more common documents out there that is used fraudulently.
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Old 08-19-2012, 08:50 AM
 
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Illegals get Medicaid for all their health care needs.

And one USA born baby and they are given housing vouchers, government paid utilities, food stamps, WIC, Head Start for their free babysitting needs, free meals in free public schools.

Besides Obama isn't deporting the ones that don't have his work permit. The illegals are being told not to worry about putting down their address, nothing will happen to their illegal parents, aunts, uncles, and others who don't qualify.

Also they aren't making them verify a thing. All they have to do is check the right box claiming they were here before a certain date.
Illegals do not get any medical needs taking care of, except emergency care.

And the benefits for their kids born here are for the kids which are US citizens. Unless the constitution changes, anyone born in the US is a natural born citizen, whether their parents are legal or not.
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Old 08-19-2012, 09:37 AM
 
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Illegals do not get any medical needs taking care of, except emergency care.

And the benefits for their kids born here are for the kids which are US citizens. Unless the constitution changes, anyone born in the US is a natural born citizen, whether their parents are legal or not.
Oh yes they do. They also show up in the free health care clinics, there are government run health care clinics specifically targetting the illegals who of course aren't coming here to buy health insurance plans of their own.

And illegals simply can show up at an emergency room for their routine health care needs.
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Old 08-19-2012, 09:58 AM
 
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Absolutely nothing in the Obama amnesty makes them use a real name or address. You're absolutely correct and nothing stops someone from applying for a work visa under many names.

Just like the border crossing card that lets them come over whenever they please -- the government promised it couldn't be used fraudulently and it's one of the more common documents out there that is used fraudulently.
They can't hide their faces from the face reconization cameras big sis installed
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Old 08-19-2012, 10:47 AM
 
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They can't hide their faces from the face reconization cameras big sis installed
But Obama has called a halt to deportations -- so it really doesn't matter if a camera recognizes them.

The cameras are being put up for use on American citizens, not the illegals.
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Old 08-19-2012, 11:20 AM
 
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Oh yes they do. They also show up in the free health care clinics, there are government run health care clinics specifically targetting the illegals who of course aren't coming here to buy health insurance plans of their own.

And illegals simply can show up at an emergency room for their routine health care needs.
I have been unemployed in the past and with no insurance; at least in my state unless your are really in an emergency situation the ER will turn you away, and send you to a regular practitioner where you have to pay out of pocket

and the free clinics at least here too only take like 35 people a day. Without insurance you do not get any help at least in VA. Even with no income (as it was my case for 3 months) an obgyn visit thru the county was around 200 dollars.
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:33 PM
 
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Illegal aliens granted amnesty should not ever be allowed to vote in an election.

I would say that even registering to vote would be cause for deportation.

They came here for a job or whatever, they came illegally. If they don't like it, they can go back to where they came from.
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Old 08-19-2012, 01:15 PM
 
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i hope people realize that there is a huge issue besides the freebies/benefits/scholarships for illegal immigrants, which is bad enough for most of us to consider.

the fact that one person -obama- can legalize illegal behavior AGAINST THE WISHES OF MOST AMERICANS is mind-boggling to me. maybe he will give amnesty to the wall street criminals as well. (or is that pardons? )

never mind, it looks like he already did:

Daily Kos: A complete lack of accountability for Wall Street

and the statute of limitations is running out.

what other illegal behaviors will be sanctioned by our president against our will? we are being robbed and it is just starting: (with help from the courts, via the ruling on the sentinel ponzi scheme):


"The way I read it was that basically you no longer have property rights. If you have your money in any (US) financial institution, you now have no property rights because in a crisis situation a bankruptcy judge now has the right to say that all of this speculation (by the banks and brokers) takes precedence over your savings."

W. E. Pollock

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Old 08-19-2012, 01:17 PM
 
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I have been unemployed in the past and with no insurance; at least in my state unless your are really in an emergency situation the ER will turn you away, and send you to a regular practitioner where you have to pay out of pocket
Utter nonsense! According to Federal law, ERs must treat everyone, regardless of ability to pay, including illegal aliens. Nor do they "turn you away." Not only do illegals generally NOT have a bona fide emergency, they use the ER as their primary care physician. This is also a major factor for hospital closures.

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In 1986, Congress enacted the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) to ensure public access to emergency services regardless of ability to pay.
Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) | Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services

In addition to overwhelming our ERs, they are bilking the system for kidney dialysis and organ transplants. They also receive dialysis from ERs, which is far more expensive. But, they don't care, because THEY don't pay.

The following are a few of the countless examples of the "free" medical treatment illegal aliens receive.


1 Florida Hospital Testimony video goes National on DC news. - YouTube

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Roughly 2,000 times over the last 17 years, Marguerita Toribio, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, has climbed into a cushioned recliner for the three-hour dialysis treatment that keeps her alive.

She has never seen a bill.

U.S. taxpayers have covered the entire cost of her treatment in California: more than $500,000 and rising, not including a kidney transplant in 1993.
Dialysis dilemma: Who gets free care? - Los Angeles Times

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Since April, UMC has been spending about $2 million per month providing emergency dialysis services to 80 illegal immigrants, Brannman said.

Brannman said the hospital receives no reimbursement from federal, state or local sources to provide this life-saving treatment for people who have entered the country illegally.
Illegal immigrants burden UMC - News - ReviewJournal.com

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LOS ANGELES - Ana Puente was an infant with a liver disorder when her aunt brought her illegally to the United States to seek medical care. She underwent two liver transplants at the University of California, Los Angeles Medical Center as a child in 1989 and a third in 1998, each paid for by the state.

This year, her liver began failing again and she was hospitalized at County-USC Medical Center, affiliated with the University of Southern California. In her Medi-Cal application, a USC doctor wrote, "Her current clinical course is irreversible, progressive and will lead to death without another liver transplant." The application was denied.

Late last month Puente learned of another, little-known option for patients with certain healthcare needs. If she notified US Citizenship and Immigration Services that she was in the country illegally, state health officials might grant her full coverage through Medi-Cal, the state health services assistance program for the poor. Puente did so, her benefits were restored, and she is awaiting a fourth transplant at UCLA.

Puente's case highlights two controversial issues: Should illegal immigrants receive liver transplants in the United States and should taxpayers pick up the cost?
Organ transplants for immigrants stir debate in Calif. - The Boston Globe


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and the free clinics at least here too only take like 35 people a day. Without insurance you do not get any help at least in VA. Even with no income (as it was my case for 3 months) an obgyn visit thru the county was around 200 dollars.
Again, total BS.

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Free Clinics provide low-income, uninsured Virginians with free or low cost health services.

All of Virginiaís free clinics provide basic health care services and help patients get free or low cost prescription medications. Some also provide dental services and/or mental health care.
Virginia Health Care Foundation | Free Clinics
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Old 08-19-2012, 01:29 PM
 
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they know all that-they just want to pretend that they don't. in fellsmere, there are brochures printed in spanish telling them how to go about getting benefits, medical care, housing, etc. they also have a "pay what you want" bus to take them to the "pay what you can" clinic.

another thing to consider is health care costs have already gone up and will go up even further, as illegal immigrants (because they are not screened) bring in various communicable diseases that citizens are then exposed to. the incubation time varies by disease, and some are much harder to diagnose and treat than others. our president feels that he should be rewarding people for not waiting in line, not going through standard procedure, and not actually doing the WORK that it should take to come into our country legally-not to mention showing no regard to our high unemployment rate now.


my serious question here is what happens when we explode- when we don't have enough workers earning high enough salaries to keep up with all the benefits required? the salaries will keep dropping as more "workers" enter the system, further draining the system.

do they get to just go back to their home countries, and we are stuck here picking up the pieces of our once prosperous country? (what other country has a president who welcomes illegal immigrants and will provide freebies for us?)

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