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Old 08-21-2012, 08:31 AM
 
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Originally Posted by All American NYC View Post
Again you are using deception.

Legal immigration is good.

Illegal immigration is bad.
Okay then greatly expanding legal immigration would result in more good as you write it and less of the bad. For you greatly expanding legal immigration is a win, win. So why don't you support it?

 
Old 08-21-2012, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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I know a lot of conservatives believe this. They don't like immigrants. They think that immigrants are destroying the nation. They want to use the government to stop immigration and to punish those immigrants that are in the nation to prevent them from destroying it.

I don't know why conservatives won't admit this.
Wow. You really can't distinguish between an ILLEGAL immigrant and an LEGAL immigrant can you? You can't grasp the fact that people are not against LEGAL immigration, but are opposed to ILLEGAL immigration. It is the ILLEGALS that are destroying the economy of this country as they are nothing but an economic burden. Where they are not contributing, they are taking.

Those that legally immigrated to the US are not eligible for government handouts.
Those that legally immigrated are expected to follow the laws of the US with no exception. They are treated the same as a citizen.

What we have today with ILLEGAL immigrants are a protected class who are allowed to break laws repeatedly, getting a discount pass to higher education, enjoy government handouts and when they should be deported, they are being given deferred deportation. They are protected by the President of this country. If a green card holder is arrested - they get deported. If a green card holder lets his/her card expire - they get deported. There is no deferred deportation for them. If they cannot support themselves they have to leave.

You want everyone who wants to come to the US because they want to, be allowed in? Yes, let's open our doors to people who are uneducated and unskilled flood the country. Do you think anyone who is established in their own country would want to leave their country? It's those at the bottom that want to enter the US and become bottom feeders.
 
Old 08-21-2012, 08:33 AM
 
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Originally Posted by All American NYC View Post
You seem like you care a great deal, suggesting amnesty.
She thinks she is being sneaky and coy so she fakes denial. She cares a great deal about defending those here illegally in our country. She considers white conservative Americans as being an obstacle to her agenda so she constantly demonizes them when most white conservatives or any other loyal Americans want is our immigration laws respected and enforced and have no problem with legal immigration in reasonable and diversified numbers.
 
Old 08-21-2012, 08:34 AM
 
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Schools are funded with property taxes. The Fed provides extra money if a school is deemed Title I.
Illegals typically pay neither property taxes nor Federal income taxes which are the funding pools for schools.
Stop lying.

Immigrants also have money automatically deducted directly from their paychecks —even those who are here illegally. But how? Well, the Social Security Administration estimates that 75% of undocumented immigrants are actually on formal payrolls and are paid by check just like anyone else. They get on the payroll by using fake or fraudulent social security numbers or social security numbers of the deceased, which are easily available from counterfeiters for a couple hundred dollars. A growing number of undocumented immigrants now file their income taxes using Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs). ITINs are issued by the IRS for filing purposes only and do not provide permission to work. According to the most recent estimates, at least 3 million unauthorized immigrants filed income taxes using ITINs in 2009. (NOTE: the IRS does not report undocumented immigrants to the Department of Homeland Security.)

Sales Tax: Every time you buy something, you pay sales tax. That money goes to state and local governments. Staying at a hotel or renting a car, you pay state and local taxes. If you fill up your gas tank, you automatically pay state and federal gasoline taxes. If you buy liquor or cigarettes, you automatically pay various local, state, and federal excise taxes. Immigrants—legal and illegal—all buy things, and thus pay these taxes as part of their purchase.

Property Tax: Local governments also collect property taxes, which are a percentage of the value of one’s home and fund services like schools, certain medical services, and police and fire stations. Immigrants—legal and illegal—pay these taxes directly if they own a home, or indirectly if they rent (clearly, landlords factor property taxes into rent).
 
Old 08-21-2012, 08:34 AM
 
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Again, if one is against illegal immigration then greatly expanding legal immigration solves that problem.

Again, immigration is considered a social good, expanding it and allowing more people to enter this nation legally is not at the same as legalizing criminal activity. Why do you associate expanding legal immigration with decriminalizing crime?

Wrong.


Legal Immigration CAN be a societal good.

Sometimes, it is neutral or even detrimental to society.



Which is why we have LAWS, quotas, and CRITERIA in the first place.


"Let's increase the numbers and we solve the problem" doesn't solve a damn thing. We need VALUABLE immigrants. With skills and educations. THAT will help us grow stronger as a nation. We can't be the end of a rubbish pipe flowing from the third world, where lazy nations and governments send the people they don't want to have to deal with.

Again, THAT model worked back in the 1890s... the world is a vastly different place today.
 
Old 08-21-2012, 08:35 AM
 
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You still don't get the term self deportation is a joke started by people to make fun of those who hate immigrants.
.
Why is self deportation a joke? Why should any illegal receive any benefit other than a bus ride back home?

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I am not discussing what to do with current undocumented immigrants. But there is no doubt that greatly expanding legal immigration would cut down on the amounts of illegal immigration. If you dislike illegal immigration then greatly expanding legal immigration is a no brainer solution for what you consider to be the problem of illegal immigration
The line is already long with legal immigrant applicants.

Fact is there are not enough jobs to support all the people that want to come here.
There is not enough natural resources.
Housing
Schools
ETC
 
Old 08-21-2012, 08:36 AM
 
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Originally Posted by All American NYC View Post
Not our fault.

But they they scam in millions in tax frefunds.
Did you note the PC term for ILLEGAL ALIENS as being "undocumented immigrants"?
 
Old 08-21-2012, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Cooler heads will always prevail. To approach the courts full of passion and emotion does not work. The anti-immigration complainants should have showed up with solid and logical information and evidence instead of the face of hatred.
 
Old 08-21-2012, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Okay then greatly expanding legal immigration would result in more good as you write it and less of the bad. For you greatly expanding legal immigration is a win, win. So why don't you support it?
Because those that come here illegally are typically dirt poor. Expand immigration to take them in would financially crush our social welfare system with the flood of applications.

The illegals would still be illegals even if you expanded legal immigration because they wouldn't meet the requirements.
 
Old 08-21-2012, 08:37 AM
 
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You seem like you care a great deal, suggesting amnesty.
I don't care. What I care about is illustrating the craven nature of conservative political ideology.

I don't care about amnesty.
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