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Old 08-23-2012, 07:08 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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And no, for your information it has not been going on for just the past 2 months, that is a load of B.S. if i ever heard it. Talk to the guys, who have done this job, first hand.

They will beg to differ with you, this has been going on for the past couple of years, not 2 months, so stop saying it is.

I have heard stories from the guys who work the borders since 2009 explain that to me please.

They no longer do, and why should they when they are told to turn their heads the other way, and yes they have been told that.

I beg to differ with the past 2 months, which is a load of crap.
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:28 PM
 
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Oh, please. Spare me the theatrics.

These guys just HAPPENED to file their lawsuit 2 months before the election, it just HAPPENED to be related to the GOP talking point about the "Dream Act," and their lead attorney just HAPPENS to be a Romney campaign advisor.

Anybody but the most dense can easily see this is politically motivated.
You mean like how Obama pulled his DACA just before the election? Not politically motivated though, right? Obama just recently denied these agents doing their jobs so I don't see anything odd about the lawsuit being recent either.
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:29 PM
 
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Tanton is a Democrat and an Environmentalist, he sees to much population as destroying the environment. He points out that in the SW states the population has increased and can not survive unless water is managed for them. The continued use of pesticides, herbicides, and fertilizers in these baron environments is having a harsh effect, all caused by over population of the land. He has extended this to the entirety of the US population and finite resources. Does this make him racist? NO, but the PRO-illegal advocates like to claim that it does and use the argument of persons per land area, saying we have enough land to populate heavier. They fail in realizing we don't have the resources for it.
His environmentalism is just a front to propagate his theory of eugenics.


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Tanton’s activism with regard to racial eugenics is based on the disturbing belief that those identified as the most productive “gene pool of the human stock” should be the ones with access to and control over scarce resources.
The same American eugenics movement of the early 20th century that informed Nazi Germany’s practices also advocated against immigration in the 1920s. It is believed that eugenicists helped pass laws that ranked immigrants based on ethnicity – at the time Nordic and Anglo Europeans being the most desirable and Asian immigrants the least. Eugenics movements have found genetic fault with nearly every physical trait and ethnic group outside of the “Nordic race”. These have been considered the “undesirable” immigrant masses over the past 100 years.
Tanton Memo of the Month – The Promotion of Eugenics | IMAGINE 2050
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:33 PM
 
Location: California
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His environmentalism is just a front to propagate his theory of eugenics.




Tanton Memo of the Month – The Promotion of Eugenics | IMAGINE 2050
Based on the opinion of your articles writer and the interpretation of phrases taken from emails as said by the SPLC.
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:38 PM
 
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His environmentalism is just a front to propagate his theory of eugenics.




Tanton Memo of the Month – The Promotion of Eugenics | IMAGINE 2050
Your first link says "page not found". The second is merely an opinion piece. They use the term anti-immigrant so that makes it suspect already.
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:07 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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What I find out is how messages about illegal immigration and legal immigration seemed to get tied into being one and the same, when they are clearly two different things. How is an illegal immigrant more "American" than a legal immigrant?

I find the promotion of "immigration" by Fox News, to name one media source, exttremely deceiving. Are they promoting legal immigration or supporting illegal immigration? They talk about how this country was built by immigrants (back in the day) and how today, immigration is good for the country and how we need immigrants. Now, if they were actually expanding on which side of immigration they are talking about - legal or illegal - there would certainly be a clear message, rather than the clouded one that they send. I mean, just how much more building has to be done? It seems to me that they are just pushing Obama's agenda to the public to accept immigrants - ILLEGAL immigrants. Say it enough times and people will come to accept their philosophy of what "immigration" means.

Whatever happened to common sense? Whatever happened to thinking through what you are told? Whatever happened to learning more about what you are told and learning the other side of an issue? Why do so many people refuse to at least explore outside what they are being told to believe? Have so many people become so mindless that they have been programmed to believe and not to think?

Here's a sample of Fox News headlining:

Pro-immigrant activists criticize Republican platform | Fox News Latino

Note the term "immigrant activists". When you read the article is is actually about illegals immigrants. And note "latino.foxnews.com". And who exactly are at the heart of illegal immigrant problem - latinos. These activists can't even bring themselves to refer to illegals for what they are - illegal immigrants.

Sorry, it doesn't work for me. It's like polishing a turd.
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Old 08-24-2012, 03:17 AM
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Back on topic folks, please.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Oh, please. Spare me the theatrics.

These guys just HAPPENED to file their lawsuit 2 months before the election, it just HAPPENED to be related to the GOP talking point about the "Dream Act," and their lead attorney just HAPPENS to be a Romney campaign advisor.

Anybody but the most dense can easily see this is politically motivated.
Oldglory is absolutely right. This lawsuit is indeed timely. They didn't just "happen" to file this lawsuit close to the election. Their suit is in response to RECENT events. Perhaps you should educate yourself on the particulars of this case prior to posting such assumptions.

On the other hand, there is no doubt Obama didn't just "happen" to time DACA and his "hands-off" directive to DHS so close to the election. Even Dreamies recognize his motives. But, of course, they don't care why he ordered DACA. They're just glad he did.
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:20 AM
 
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Moving forward.

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The lawsuit was filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Dallas. It names as defendants Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and immigrations and customs Director John Morton. Kobach is the lead attorney in the lawsuit, which is funded by Numbers USA, a group based in Arlington, Va., that advocates for lower immigration and raised almost $5.5 million in 2010.
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:28 AM
 
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Oh, please. Spare me the theatrics.

These guys just HAPPENED to file their lawsuit 2 months before the election, it just HAPPENED to be related to the GOP talking point about the "Dream Act," and their lead attorney just HAPPENS to be a Romney campaign advisor.

Anybody but the most dense can easily see this is politically motivated.
And Obama just happened to time the issuance of work visas to illegals as of Augusgt 15 and his plan to do so wasn't politically motivated?

Obama gave the orders in June (of this year) that ICE agents could not detain illegals if the illegal claimed to be a Dreamer. All they had to do was CLAIM to be a Dreamer in high school or have a GED. So I guess it would be safe to say that a lawsuit was not actually being "planned", but came about within the past 2-1/2 months after the order by Obama was issued.

Here's the position that Obama put ICE agents in:

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They either break the law by not moving to deport illegal immigrants or disobey their bosses by not following the directive, the suit says.

“They have sworn an oath to uphold the law and if they follow federal law, they end up disobeying the orders of their superiors. If they disobey the orders of their supervisor they’re disciplined,” said Kobach, who filed the suit outside his role as secretary of state.
KANSAS CITY, Mo.: Kris Kobach files lawsuit over Obama's immigration policy change | Nation | Kentucky.com
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