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Old 08-26-2012, 09:40 AM
 
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Most anti illegal action have been promoted by groups with strong ties to separation of races and white supremacism. Not really surprised here.
Uh; if MOST illegal aliens were red head Irish, I'd STILL want them deported and I'm of Irish family and with red hair. Sheesh!
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Old 08-26-2012, 01:54 PM
 
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What difference does it make if there are some white supremist individuals or groups that object to illegal immigration? How does that nullify the same objections by regular Americans which happen to way out number any white supremists in this country? Illegal immigration is against the law and that is all that matters and all the argument we need to object to it.
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Old 09-04-2012, 03:06 PM
 
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Yes it doesn't matter what organization they try to attach it to, its a legitimate reason to sue.
Unfortunately, it does. There is always an image component to any political act, whether it's a republic or a socialist society (maybe not with certain totalitarian regimes). Which is why anti-illegal movements should embrace and highlight legal immigrants, and distance themselves from xenophobes and English-only, in my opinion. It's important for anti-illegals to take back control of the message; pro-illegals seem to have succeeded in dominating that control, such as when they blur illegal and legal immigration together.
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Old 09-04-2012, 03:12 PM
 
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What difference does it make if there are some white supremist individuals or groups that object to illegal immigration? How does that nullify the same objections by regular Americans which happen to way out number any white supremists in this country? Illegal immigration is against the law and that is all that matters and all the argument we need to object to it.
In winning the battle of public opinion, controlling a message, and preserving societal order when we (hopefully) win, I think it's integral to be conscious of who we associate with. And, it's true, wecan't control who agrees with us. But we can control who we associate with. Sometimes that means public disavowals.

We can't tell the white supremacist not to agree with us. But we can show the public and undecideds that agreeing with us does not inherently mean agreeing with him. In fact, it's an important part of education about the policy and reasons behind opposing illegal immigration.
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Old 09-04-2012, 04:08 PM
 
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Unfortunately, it does. There is always an image component to any political act, whether it's a republic or a socialist society (maybe not with certain totalitarian regimes). Which is why anti-illegal movements should embrace and highlight legal immigrants, and distance themselves from xenophobes and English-only, in my opinion. It's important for anti-illegals to take back control of the message; pro-illegals seem to have succeeded in dominating that control, such as when they blur illegal and legal immigration together.
Most anti-illegal immigrationists do not attach themselves to white supremists or so-called xenophobes. Not our fault if they attach themselves to us so why focus on them when the bottom line is supremacy doesn't matter anyway, our laws do. There is no English only movement. Most Americans want to make English our official language and that is not the same thing. Who isn't embracing or highlighting legal immigrants?

How about the other side stopping their name calling of law abiding Americans who want our immigration laws enforced? As for supposedy attaching oneself to the fringe element how about those reconquista or ethnocentric types who are pro-illegal immigrants? They attach themsleves to that side of the issue also and vice versa many times. It's a two way street, you know.
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Old 09-04-2012, 04:14 PM
 
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In winning the battle of public opinion, controlling a message, and preserving societal order when we (hopefully) win, I think it's integral to be conscious of who we associate with. And, it's true, wecan't control who agrees with us. But we can control who we associate with. Sometimes that means public disavowals.

We can't tell the white supremacist not to agree with us. But we can show the public and undecideds that agreeing with us does not inherently mean agreeing with him. In fact, it's an important part of education about the policy and reasons behind opposing illegal immigration.
When is the pro-illegal immigrant side going to publicly denounce the reconquista types and the ethnocentrics on their side? Or those who call Americans who want their immigration laws respected and enforced nasty, vile names?
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Old 09-04-2012, 06:34 PM
 
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Unfortunately, it does. There is always an image component to any political act, whether it's a republic or a socialist society (maybe not with certain totalitarian regimes). Which is why anti-illegal movements should embrace and highlight legal immigrants, and distance themselves from xenophobes and English-only, in my opinion. It's important for anti-illegals to take back control of the message; pro-illegals seem to have succeeded in dominating that control, such as when they blur illegal and legal immigration together.
Nothing wrong with English ONLY. Tho I do agree with the rest of what you said.
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Old 09-04-2012, 06:36 PM
 
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In winning the battle of public opinion, controlling a message, and preserving societal order when we (hopefully) win, I think it's integral to be conscious of who we associate with. And, it's true, wecan't control who agrees with us. But we can control who we associate with. Sometimes that means public disavowals.

We can't tell the white supremacist not to agree with us. But we can show the public and undecideds that agreeing with us does not inherently mean agreeing with him. In fact, it's an important part of education about the policy and reasons behind opposing illegal immigration.
Uh; please remember the KKK was AGAINST immigration against the Italians and my people the Irish almost a 100 years ago. We're "white" people too.
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Old 09-04-2012, 06:38 PM
 
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Most anti illegal immigration groups (FAIR, Numbers USA, VDARE) were funded and received money from white nationalists, pro eugenics groups.
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:18 PM
 
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Most anti illegal immigration groups (FAIR, Numbers USA, VDARE) were funded and received money from white nationalists, pro eugenics groups.
The La Raza groups support amnesty for Hispanic illegal aliens. I'd like to see Mecha SPLC and so on checked out by the legal system.
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