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Old 08-25-2012, 12:44 PM
 
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The slum lords are another group that very much likes having illegals -- all that housing that no American would want to live in -- well guess who does want to live in it. And they won't complain much at all, aren't even aware of tenant rights and the responsibilities of landlords.

Around where I live, you can rent out an old travel trailer or broken down RV, poor condition old mobile home or a apartment in an old building thanks to many immigrants used to dirt floor shacks coming for the good life in the USA.

No smoke detectors necessary and if you want to make the immigrants feel safe, you install metal bars in the cheap run down improperly-wired trailer you rented them and if there is a fire, tough luck for them and their kids who just burned up, screaming while they died because they were trapped. Or a case here where some people unfamiliar with home heating and non-insulated old trailers had come up and given birth to a couple of anchor twins. It was winter and they had little money as the anchor welfare handouts hadn't kicked in yet so they bent the chimney into the bedroom of the family with the infants who of course died.

Or the old travel trailers and broken down mobile homes here where the landlord was too cheap to put in a septic tank and the plumbing was just to the ground where the kids were found playing in a pond of sewage.

Yes, landlords are often another free-market kind of liberals who want their illegals who don't fuss over horrendous conditions.
A couple of issues I've noticed over the years in my area are two: Fires and people killed crossing the street. It seems a large proportion of these fatalities are immigrants who seem to have issues with heaters during the winter months and crossing busy streets.

 
Old 08-25-2012, 01:07 PM
 
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What part of "you can't get any kind of federal assistance for x number of years" don't you people understand?

The problem is, immigration isn't going away. So you can either try to ignore reality, that they will keep coming, or you can work within to find a solution that works best for the country.
The parent can use a child to get benefits.

Allowing millions of low skilled, badly educated foreign nationals to come here and get access to our welfare system is not what works best for our country. Illegals will go away if we stop giving them a reason to come here.
 
Old 08-25-2012, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What part of "you can't get any kind of federal assistance for x number of years" don't you people understand?

The problem is, immigration isn't going away. So you can either try to ignore reality, that they will keep coming, or you can work within to find a solution that works best for the country.
"Child only assistance" cases means the child is applying for TANF.
The 5 year waiting period is waived for legal immigrants.
Illegal immigrants can apply for their US born children.

The poor aren't stupid. They come from countries that have nothing. They have nothing to lose and we don't deport now unless one is a felon. Once they have the baby they can apply for all government programs on behalf of the baby.
 
Old 08-25-2012, 02:42 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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If a child has been here for 17 of their 18 years of life, they are as much an American as my son is.

And no one is doing the jobs of the "undocumented" or "illegals", so I say let them stay here. Hell, we need to open the border up more.

Free country and all, we should accept everyone. It'll drive down labor costs, increase production in factories, and make us competitive with China because we'll have cheaper labor.
Decidedly false notions. But while you're being so munificent to those who invade our country, sneer at our sovereignty, eat up our taxes and ignore our laws, you can start making yourself feel better by moving about 30 of them into your garage. Enjoy! If you have a spare bedroom that should be good for another 10-15 more.
 
Old 08-25-2012, 03:44 PM
 
Location: California
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If a child has been here for 17 of their 18 years of life, they are as much an American as my son is.
They may be "American" (define American), but that doesn't grant them the rights and/or privileges of legal residents and citizens.

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And no one is doing the jobs of the "undocumented" or "illegals", so I say let them stay here. Hell, we need to open the border up more.
The illegals are doing the jobs of US citizens and legal residents. And there we have your "globalized" view of the world.

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Free country and all, we should accept everyone. It'll drive down labor costs, increase production in factories, and make us competitive with China because we'll have cheaper labor.
Free country? Your definition is much different than that of the founders and mine. To be competitive with China? You have no idea how trade works.
 
Old 08-25-2012, 04:13 PM
 
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What part of "let them in the country legally, if they can find any job and cut off their welfare for a given number of years" don't you understand?

No anchor babies if they are citizens.
We already have set annual quotas and for good reasons. Should we just let them all in legally anyway in spite that we have 23 million Americans out of work with dwindling resources and taxes? Once they get ensconced in our country and start producing babies they can get by on welfare and that in turn drains our tax coffers even more. How does this help our own citizens or should we be more concerned about the needs of immigrants (other country's citizens) instead?
 
Old 08-25-2012, 04:37 PM
 
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Sure, many are in-fact leaving the US because for many the gravy train has stopped. Many were just sending money out of the US anyway, making as much cheap money as possible before heading back home. As far as delegating low pay work to a young adult who came to this country illegally when a baby is not the right thing to do either. They shouldn't be pigeon holed because of illegal actions their parents committed but instead be given priority when given a green card to re-enter or even stay in the US. It should be a case by case issue not a blanket amnesty. These young adults are assimilated, or you would hope they are. There is that possibility of abuse by young illegals in that they came to the US at 16 and want special treatment at 18 and can't speak a lick of english and some knuckle head bureaucrat falling for it. No thanks, back home you go.
I agree with most of what you said except about the kids brought here illegally by their parents. They need to go home along with their parents rather than rewarding their parents who brought them here by allowing their kids to remain here. My concern is for our own citizens only. We have enough problems to tackle caring for our own. Our economy is stagnant and there are no jobs. Many of our cities and states are broke. Let's get Americans back to work, start building up our tax coffers again and enforce our immigration laws.
 
Old 08-25-2012, 05:13 PM
 
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[quote=Memphis1979;25800491] . . . I care about the American economy. You bring in cheap labor from south of the border, make them pay taxes, don't give them the social safety nets for a given number of years, and watch production go up and labor costs decrease. . . .

In consensus reality we call that the last twenty years. La frontera has moved inexorably north from the maquiladora belt. That was the plan, wasn't it?

In consensus reality aliens have provided cheap domestic labour, paid taxes, and rejected social safety nets for decades. Production has gone up and labour costs have gone down. Crime's gone down too.

Some people will never be happy.
 
Old 08-25-2012, 05:19 PM
 
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Illegals have taken millions of jobs that Americans would love to do. Jobs that pay decently in fact. Illegals have taken over so many of the bus boy and line cook positions for example.
Yes. Busing tables. Great example of a job everyone would "love" to do that pays decently. *snort*
 
Old 08-25-2012, 05:34 PM
 
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I'm saying let all of them become citizens on a trial basis, tax them, make sure they aren't breaking the law, and they'll increase production, lower wage costs, and everyone will be the better for it.

Thats a "Free market" solution.

Illegal immigrants aren't going anywhere, so we might as well use them in the best way possible, by allowing them to become real full citizens, and tax them like everyone else is.
Illegal aliens are either working in the informal market (which isn't going to be eliminated) or working with passable papers. In the latter case, they are subject to taxation, but don't make enough (like 47 percent of US workers) to have a federal income tax liability. They are otherwise taxed. Real (inflation-adjusted) labour costs have been going down for years while productivity has been going up.

Maybe the problem is something else...
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