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Old 09-16-2012, 06:23 PM
 
Location: California
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1808 is when that part of our supreme law of the land was scheduled to take effect and be legally binding upon the several States of the Union. It secures federal supremacy regarding immigration into the US and no longer retained as a States' right.
So the AoC and the USC had no legal binding? Scheduled to take effect? LMFAO simply, WOW!

The Slave Act you cling to was nothing more than Congresses first use of its authority to regulate immigration. Do you not understand what that means? They already had the legally binding authority and it was already effective against the several states of the Union, they simply didn't use it until the Act to Prohibit the Importation of Slaves in 1808.
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Old 09-16-2012, 06:38 PM
 
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I am merely advocating....
How about merely discussing what you are advocating?
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Old 09-16-2012, 07:20 PM
 
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In my opinion, supply side economics should be supplying us with better governance, at lower prices.
Supply-side economics has nothing to do with illegal immigration (as people are not capital, nor are they product) or this topic.
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Old 09-16-2012, 07:23 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Yes, you have parroted this inane paragraph now, over and over. While in theory it sounds nice, in reality it pertains to legal persons living within the US, not illegals, as they are only covered by certain civil law protections and the 5th, 6th, and 14th (EPC) Amendments.

So I 'll ask again, do we need to increase the cost of a visa to enter the USA? Why not expand your theory to include the social costs that un-skilled persons pose upon skilled persons? An un-skilled person costs the Gov't $89K over their lifetime. What of all the social welfare? (Milton Friedman) has even stated that you can't have the welfare state and immigration. Your theory, in the overall picture is, a failure from the get-go. So, how do you propose to get rid of the welfare state and impose on un-skilled workers their portion of costs?
A market friendly work visa could compete with the black market to better ensure full employment in any given market, but especially, the market for labor. Any revenue generated could be used to defray the cost of social programs that provide for the general welfare.
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Old 09-16-2012, 07:25 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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So the AoC and the USC had no legal binding? Scheduled to take effect? LMFAO simply, WOW!

The Slave Act you cling to was nothing more than Congresses first use of its authority to regulate immigration. Do you not understand what that means? They already had the legally binding authority and it was already effective against the several states of the Union, they simply didn't use it until the Act to Prohibit the Importation of Slaves in 1808.
Claiming the issue of slavery is a form of special pleading since our Founding Fathers provided for exigencies of the Union, and not merely the South.
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Old 09-16-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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A market friendly work visa could compete with the black market to better ensure full employment in any given market, but especially, the market for labor. Any revenue generated could be used to defray the cost of social programs that provide for the general welfare.
Whats wrong with the H2A visa? or any other non-immigrant work visa out there? What revenue would be generated? The cost over and above the visa? or form the labor profit? (be careful, you are beginning to venture into communism now).
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Old 09-16-2012, 07:28 PM
 
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Claiming the issue of slavery is a form of special pleading since our Founding Fathers provided for exigencies of the Union, and not merely the South.
We are not discussing slavery and slavery has absolutely no bearing on this topic. Your way out in space here, reality is over here.
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Old 09-16-2012, 09:21 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Whats wrong with the H2A visa? or any other non-immigrant work visa out there? What revenue would be generated? The cost over and above the visa? or form the labor profit? (be careful, you are beginning to venture into communism now).
The only problem is that they don't work or we would not have an illegal problem now. I am advocating for a permanent solution to our illegal problem that is also friendly to the markets of Commerce.
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Old 09-16-2012, 09:48 PM
 
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The only problem is that they don't work or we would not have an illegal problem now. I am advocating for a permanent solution to our illegal problem that is also friendly to the markets of Commerce.
I think everybody is advocating for a solution, you have yet to explain yours beyond a few words (all you have done is espouse talking points with no defining of your solution). Is it that the current visas don't work (explain how they don't work) or is it that illegals simply choose not to use/apply for them (illegally enter for their own economic gain)? You seem high on advocation and little on actual substance.

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Old 09-17-2012, 08:47 AM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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There is an already proved business model in Commerce that is already making multimillion dollar bonuses for persons in the private sector. The amusement park sector is a good example that can be ported to the public sector and function as a public sector means of production by generating revenue to defray the cost of government and lower our Tax burden, in that manner.

As an analogy, it could be said that amusement parks are minimicro States that simply sell visas to potential "foreign" labor--since simply obtaining a work visa would not be any guarantee of a job, but merely the right to be in the US and try their luck in our market for labor.

In my opinion, our federal Congress should be able to obtain Pareto Optimalities and to fix those Standards in the US in order to better ensure full employment of resources in any given market, but especial markets that primarily involve human capital.

We could be obtaining biometrics from foreign labor that chooses to participate in the US market for labor along with a fee for positive market participation and a fine for negative market participation.

Such revenue could be used to fund social programs so that alleged Conservatives may be burdened less, of both a Tax and a moral of "goodwill toward men".

In such a manner, we may be able to better our morals and our infrastructure at the same time, merely by conforming more to rational choice theory and the theory of supply and demand, and the assumption of perfect competition as a "holy grail".
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