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Old 09-22-2012, 01:29 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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When is this country going to enforce the laws that are in place? And change the one where you can just cross the border and pop out a kid and it is legal? What good does the kid being legal even matter, when their parents are not even supposed to be here. This illegal immigration is getting out of hand (has been). Anytime someone wants to do something crazy like ask for an i.d. to vote or rent an apartment, it's shot down. This is not going to end well. Now we can expect a large # of escaped felons from Mexico here in Texas. Yay!! I just can't believe the government is doing everything they can to make it okay for people they know are illegal to be here.
The only problem is that immigration is no longer a States' right since 1808. Therefore, what you are asking for is States' being illegal merely to "catch" other illegals in their illegalities; how moral is that?
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Old 09-22-2012, 01:31 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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There is no "permanent" solution. Certainly, amnesty isn't the answer. These greedy employers are no better than drug cartels. They are far too accustomed to their obscene profits from illegal labor to ever consider employing legal workers. Likewise, their untaxed employees will never volunteer to become taxpayers. The underground economy is a multi-billion dollar enterprise. They're making too much money to choose the legit route. It defies logic.
Of course there is a permanent solution that is friendly to the markets of Commerce and that form of "permanence". It merely requires that our elected representatives be moral enough to bear true witness to our own supreme law of the land.

We could be generating revenue to defray the cost of government and being more fiscally responsible in that manner.
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Old 09-22-2012, 01:48 PM
 
Location: California
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What you are describing is phenomena that is normal under Capitalism. It has to do with the laws of supply and demand. Why not use public sector intervention in private sector markets to better ensure full employment of resources in those markets?
That's not the role of the public sector.

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We are referring the US and promoting the general welfare; you may need to ask gun lovers about that unitary, one world order stuff since that is their angle and not mine.

The general government is already delegated the power and former States' right over immigration since 1808. The amusement park model is a valid business model that actually generates revenue for that sector. Why are you being so fiscally irresponsible as to increase our Tax burden without just cause?
Your idea of what the "general welfare" is (police power) and what it means in our Constitution are 2 different things. The Preamble has been held by SCOTUS and has never been regarded as the source of any substantive power conferred on the Government of the United States or on any of its Departments. In the Constitution contained in the Taxing and Spending Clause adheres to the federal power to spend federal revenues on matters of general interest to the federal government as per Hamilton in 1791.

Again Congress already had the power over immigration, granted by the signing of the Articles of Confederation and the US Constitution, much before your inept claim of 1808 in which they first used it.

I see you still can't answer basic questions, in turn you pose your own questions of which have been already answered in here numerous times. You have been making this same inane argument/advocating since 2007, everybody you have discussed it with on the internet has already completely countered your inane claims and still you persist.

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Revenue generated from a federal, natural public sector monopoly which can be harnessed into a public sector means of production, could be used to fund unemployment compensation for US labor according to the concept and existing legal doctrine of employment at will.

You are welcome to ignore the laws of supply and demand if you want; but, I am only advocating for public policy choices which conform to the theory of supply and demand and the assumption of perfectly competitive markets.
You completely mis-interpret the wording of both the preamble and the US Constitution, to include the States own Constitutions and haven't really a clue as to how at-will employment works or how it is defined.

The laws of supply and demand are not being ignored by me, as I stated: an overabundance of labor decreases wages, that's as basic as it gets. You have done nothing to factor in inflation or the cost of living expenses. Your amusement park economic model fails as I have already shown.

Come up with something new, you seem to be nothing more then a mere troll now.
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Old 09-22-2012, 01:50 PM
 
Location: California
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Of course there is a permanent solution that is friendly to the markets of Commerce and that form of "permanence". It merely requires that our elected representatives be moral enough to bear true witness to our own supreme law of the land.

We could be generating revenue to defray the cost of government and being more fiscally responsible in that manner.
You claim it is, yet you haven't show it to actually be. Surely you don't think people are dumb enough to simply take your word about something, do you?
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Old 09-22-2012, 01:55 PM
 
Location: California
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The only problem is that immigration is no longer a States' right since 1808. Therefore, what you are asking for is States' being illegal merely to "catch" other illegals in their illegalities; how moral is that?
Immigration hasn't been a States Right since the signing of the Articles of Confederation and the USC. Quite claiming otherwise, it only shows your true inept ignorance. States aren't doing anything to catch illegals, Law Enforcements are checking the status of persons they detain and arrest as per the Federal statutes promoting the general welfare of the republic. It is then up to the feds to take possession of the illegal immigrant and deport them. You have no idea how our laws actually work.

Now either quit trolling or come up with arguments to back up your assertions, repeating the same crap as you have done since 2007 doesn't cut it. The General Welfare Clause and Forms of Unemployment Insurance ....

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Old 09-22-2012, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Of course there is a permanent solution that is friendly to the markets of Commerce and that form of "permanence". It merely requires that our elected representatives be moral enough to bear true witness to our own supreme law of the land.

We could be generating revenue to defray the cost of government and being more fiscally responsible in that manner.
You keep posting this, without an explanation. Please elaborate.
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Old 09-22-2012, 03:19 PM
 
Location: California
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You keep posting this, without an explanation. Please elaborate.
Lets use his own comments against him: http://www.city-data.com/forum/17459943-post37.html from here Exogenous cognitive dissonance as an ailment that can be palliated by cannabis sativa as an herbal remedy.
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What makes you say that? Simply claiming something without a rational argument doesn't mean much.
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Old 09-22-2012, 10:26 PM
 
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Of course there is a permanent solution that is friendly to the markets of Commerce and that form of "permanence". It merely requires that our elected representatives be moral enough to bear true witness to our own supreme law of the land.

We could be generating revenue to defray the cost of government and being more fiscally responsible in that manner.
Agreed. The moral and right thing to do would be to deport ANY illegal alien picked up by LE, even for a jay walking ticket. Then Americans can work those jobs that open up.
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