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Old 09-17-2012, 11:56 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Originally Posted by Jonah K View Post
One's job might never be taken by illegal immigrants, but one's tax dollars helps to support them.

Really now! that is a good line. Tell that line to those in the Construction field, roofers, tile layers, concrete contractors, many illegals have take over those jobs, and that i know for fact!

Found out in 2010 while undertaking a huge remodeling and additions project.

Infact i ended up getting the illegals and the contracor in trouble, and would proudly do it again!

 
Old 09-17-2012, 12:02 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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I have a real job, an education and professional qualifications. My job will never be taken by an illegal immigrant.

I live in San Diego, one of America's safest cities...yet it's one of the most overcrowded with Illegals...so maybe Illegals don't cause crime or violence. Detroit does not have many Illegals, nor does East St. Louis, New Orleans or Washington DC, yet all those places are crime-ridden and violent. El Paso is even safer than San Diego and it's on the border with Juarez.

That's why Illegal Immigration is a non-issue to me.

That and the fact that immigration laws didn't exist for the first 100+ years of this nation and then were only first enacted out of racism against the Irish, Japanese, Chinese, etc.
Well i live in a very upscale area in San Clemente, and i very much care about the issue, about the whole issue.

To not care is just plain ignorant.
 
Old 09-17-2012, 12:46 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Well i live in a very upscale area in San Clemente, and i very much care about the issue, about the whole issue.

To not care is just plain ignorant.
Agreed! I care because if they don't respect our immigration laws, border and sovereignty they won't respect any other rule of law.

Ya think that might be why so many of them are crowding our prisons?

To not care about the issue is to not care about the country.
 
Old 09-17-2012, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Agreed! I care because if they don't respect our immigration laws, border and sovereignty they won't respect any other rule of law.

Ya think that might be why so many of them are crowding our prisons?

To not care about the issue is to not care about the country.
Exactly! How can anyone not care about an issue that has proven to be such an unfair burden to taxpayers? In addition, illegal immigration is a major factor in our overcrowded schools, hospital closures, depressed wages, displaced workers, and is a threat to our national security. The apathetic mentality is absolutely mind-boggling.
 
Old 09-17-2012, 01:21 PM
 
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I have a real job, an education and professional qualifications. My job will never be taken by an illegal immigrant.

I live in San Diego, one of America's safest cities...yet it's one of the most overcrowded with Illegals...so maybe Illegals don't cause crime or violence. Detroit does not have many Illegals, nor does East St. Louis, New Orleans or Washington DC, yet all those places are crime-ridden and violent. El Paso is even safer than San Diego and it's on the border with Juarez.

That's why Illegal Immigration is a non-issue to me.

That and the fact that immigration laws didn't exist for the first 100+ years of this nation and then were only first enacted out of racism against the Irish, Japanese, Chinese, etc.
I'm sorry, but your post is full of naivete. With illegals going to university and getting degrees at a discount, you can bet one day illegals will start entering the white collar professions
 
Old 09-17-2012, 02:44 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Agreed! I care because if they don't respect our immigration laws, border and sovereignty they won't respect any other rule of law.

Ya think that might be why so many of them are crowding our prisons?

To not care about the issue is to not care about the country.


And we know they don't respect our immigration laws. And we know that they won't respect any other rule of law, they lack respect for our rules.

To just plain not care about the issue no matter where you live, is ignorat, and this problem will only get worse.
 
Old 09-17-2012, 03:33 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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If you think your education and professional qualifications will shield you from illegal immigration, you had better think again. While most illegal aliens are low-skilled and uneducated Mexicans, many are well-educated and currently work in every industry in this country, including the Federal Government. In fact, you may one day be replaced by an illegal alien with qualifications that far surpass yours. Wouldn't that be a hoot?
My industry has many barriers which makes it impossible to lose my job to an illegal immigrant...or anyone who isn't a US citizen...

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I live in the DC area, which has a HUGE illegal alien population, as well as one of the largest MS-13 memberships in this country. You clearly have no factual basis for your assertion.
Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitor sites is not allowedDC has like 7,000 TOTAL illegal immigrants The Kardashians probably have a staff of about half that many at their house...

Where are your "facts" for that wildly inaccurate statement. DC has massive crime issues and the majority are NOT caused by MS-13, which is not a Mexican gang, BTW. Detroit, East St Louis, Philadelphia, Camden, etc. All the country's most crime-ridden cities are not ones with large illegal immigrant populations. In fact, the relationship of crime to illegal immigration in major cities is almost perfectly inverse.

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I am also educated and enjoy a very comfortable lifestyle, but that certainly doesn't prevent me from caring about others. Despite the fact that slavery and Jim Crow did not impact the lives of white Americans, many had enough compassion for other human beings to become involved. In fact, some made the ultimate sacrifice, because their moral compass would not allow them to ignore such an egregious injustice. Of course, narcissists only care about themselves.
You see, I care about others and not just those who were born in the same country as I. I believe that all people should have a path to citizenship and we should simply go by the original immigration rules that Jefferson, Washington and the rest of the founding fathers put forth. Renounce your citizenship, spend some time in America proving your worth and you too can become a citizen. Instead, we have this whole situation where people hide in the shadows, work crappy jobs and drive down the cost of labor.

All of you hard-line anti-Immigration people all forget that this nation never had a closed-door policy until long after the Civil War. Immigration laws were all enacted out of racism and prejudice, not out of intellect or economic analysis.

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Old 09-17-2012, 03:38 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I'm sorry, but your post is full of naivete. With illegals going to university and getting degrees at a discount, you can bet one day illegals will start entering the white collar professions

So why would you want to keep high-achieving college educated people from being citizens again? Why not provide those who are driven and intelligent enough to graduate college with a path to citizenship?


I wouldn't lose my job to an illegal also because one needs a Social Security number and valid forms of US-issued identification to work in my industry...
 
Old 09-17-2012, 03:58 PM
 
Location: California
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I believe that all people should have a path to citizenship and we should simply go by the original immigration rules that Jefferson, Washington and the rest of the founding fathers put forth.
You do realize they put forth a law that limited naturalization to immigrants who were "free white persons" of "good moral character", right? and that the right of citizenship did "not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States". I'm all for going back to what Jefferson, Washington, and the rest of the founding fathers put forth.

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Renounce your citizenship, spend some time in America proving your worth and you too can become a citizen. Instead, we have this whole situation where people hide in the shadows, work crappy jobs and drive down the cost of labor.

All of you hard-line anti-Immigration people all forget that this nation never had a closed-door policy until long after the Civil War. Immigration laws were all enacted out of racism and prejudice, not out of intellect or economic analysis.
Even if they were legalized they would drive down the cost of labor as they moved into other sectors even more so. It would also drive down the cost of labor for illegals even more. Simple supply and demand economics.

Immigration laws were all enacted out of racism and prejudice, not out of intellect or economic analysis
 
Old 09-17-2012, 03:59 PM
 
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So why would you want to keep high-achieving college educated people from being citizens again? Why not provide those who are driven and intelligent enough to graduate college with a path to citizenship?


I wouldn't lose my job to an illegal also because one needs a Social Security number and valid forms of US-issued identification to work in my industry...
Illegals steal and use social security numbers of US citizens -- so yes you could lose your job to them. More important than you are the millions of unemployed Americans out there who cannot be hired, see it's really not all about you.
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