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Old 09-19-2012, 06:44 AM
 
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I think if the anti-illegal crowd showed an equal contempt for the companies that they do for the Mexicans....ummm...illegals...it would be a much less controversial topic.

They do, it is just that if the pro illegal immigrant crowd would be honest and acknowledge it they would have no reason to pull the race card and that is the ace up their sleeve. Illegal immigration isn't a controversial topic it is the law and both the employers and the illegal immigrants are breaking the law and should be equally punished.

 
Old 09-19-2012, 06:54 AM
 
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I totally agree with you! Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, Computer Programmers, Managers, etc. aren't worried about "illegals". The only folks who really care about this issue are those in the 'low-end' of the labor market.... and who really oughtta be going back to school and improving their competitiveness, instead of complaining now because they've always been so used to feeling "entitled"!
Many Americans still enjoy blue collar work. Not everyone is cut out for a desk job. Many of the jobs these illegal immigrants are doing should be reserved for our young Americans starting out in entry level jobs for some job experience and spending money. Many Americans can't afford to go to college since it is so expensive. Many manual labor jobs pay or used to pay a decent wage like construction for example before illegal immigrants flooded that market.

At any rate, when and if we need unskilled or semi-skilled foreign workers we will increase our visas for them. The reason we don't is because we don't need them. That doesn't give them the right to come anyway illegally and take a job they have no right to nor does it give the employer the right to hire them.
 
Old 09-19-2012, 07:24 AM
 
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IMHO, the job market is starting to parallel national patterns of urban decay, with the low end of the labor market looking increasingly like the "rust belt" towns.

Agreed, there's really nuthin' wrong with not having a college diploma, and it's true, most every part of the labor market is vulnerable now to some form of "outsourcing". But these days who's always gonna be more vulnerable, the worker with less training and less specialized skills, or the one with more...?

Like 'em or not, "illegals" are simply the wake-up call for that trend.
Deport the illegal aliens and what you say is right about some people heading down the "rust belt" road. NO need for Americans having to deal with illegals tho in the US. Sheesh!
 
Old 09-19-2012, 09:46 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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I think if the anti-illegal crowd showed an equal contempt for the companies that they do for the Mexicans....ummm...illegals...it would be a much less controversial topic.

I'll give ya that one.
 
Old 09-19-2012, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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I totally agree with you! Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, Computer Programmers, Managers, etc. aren't worried about "illegals". The only folks who really care about this issue are those in the 'low-end' of the labor market.... and who really oughtta be going back to school and improving their competitiveness, instead of complaining now because they've always been so used to feeling "entitled"!
Many colleges and universities don't ask about the the immigration status of their students. For instance, "undocumented immigrants" Sergio Garcia and Jose Godinez-Samperio both obtained undergraduate degrees in the U.S., graduated from U.S. law schools, and passed the bar exams of their respective states (California and Florida). While the California State Bar and Florida State Bar support the granting of law licenses to "undocumented immigrants", the U.S. Justice Department doesn't. Unfortunately, the Garcia licensure case is currently pending in the California Supreme Court and the Florida Supreme Court hasn't weighed in on the Godinez-Samperio case yet.
California bar: Illegal immigrant should get law license - U.S. News
Undocumented Immigrant Can be Lawyer, Florida Bar Says | Fox News Latino
Florida Bar: immigrant not disqualified from practicing law - Florida - MiamiHerald.com
Illegal immigrant can't be lawyer - SFGate

So professions such as law, medicine, engineering, computer programming, etc. at the "higher-end" of the labor market might not be immune to having "undocumented immigrants" join their ranks.
 
Old 09-19-2012, 10:46 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Many colleges and universities don't ask about the the immigration status of their students. For instance, "undocumented immigrants" Sergio Garcia and Jose Godinez-Samperio both obtained undergraduate degrees in the U.S., graduated from U.S. law schools, and passed the bar exams of their respective states (California and Florida). While the California State Bar and Florida State Bar support the granting of law licenses to "undocumented immigrants", the U.S. Justice Department doesn't. Unfortunately, the Garcia licensure case is currently pending in the California Supreme Court and the Florida Supreme Court hasn't weighed in on the Godinez-Samperio case yet.
California bar: Illegal immigrant should get law license - U.S. News
Undocumented Immigrant Can be Lawyer, Florida Bar Says | Fox News Latino
Florida Bar: immigrant not disqualified from practicing law - Florida - MiamiHerald.com
Illegal immigrant can't be lawyer - SFGate

So professions such as law, medicine, engineering, computer programming, etc. at the "higher-end" of the labor market might not be immune to having "undocumented immigrants" join their ranks.
So along with all the day laborers lined up down near the Home Depot every morning, with signs saying they do "gardening" or "construction", now we're also gonna start seeing some holding signs that say, "Civil Liability Claims" and "Knows Linux"?!
 
Old 09-19-2012, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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So along with all the day laborers lined up down near the Home Depot every morning, with signs saying they do "gardening" or "construction", now we're also gonna start seeing some holding signs that say, "Civil Liability Claims" and "Knows Linux"?!
"Undocumented immigrants" that have professional-level educations but lack employment, such as UCLA School of Art and Architecture grad Maria Gomez, seem to prefer hanging out at Starbucks with their laptops, instead of standing in front of Home Depot.
Despite her stellar achievements, an illegal immigrant is trapped between two Americas - Los Angeles Times
 
Old 09-19-2012, 12:10 PM
 
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IMHO, the job market is starting to parallel national patterns of urban decay, with the low end of the labor market looking increasingly like the "rust belt" towns.

Agreed, there's really nuthin' wrong with not having a college diploma, and it's true, most every part of the labor market is vulnerable now to some form of "outsourcing". But these days who's always gonna be more vulnerable, the worker with less training and less specialized skills, or the one with more...?

Like 'em or not, "illegals" are simply the wake-up call for that trend.

If Mexican illegals are all that and a bag of chips how come Mexico does not utilize all the cheap labor like the Chinese. You would think Mexico would be a economic powerhouse. Mexico only uses that surplus labor for remittances.
 
Old 09-19-2012, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Can we take this to mean that you don't care about anything unless it affects you directly?
well you've just described most of the attitudes in the good ol US of A these days, so probably.
 
Old 09-19-2012, 12:37 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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If Mexican illegals are all that and a bag of chips how come Mexico does not utilize all the cheap labor like the Chinese. You would think Mexico would be a economic powerhouse. Mexico only uses that surplus labor for remittances.
Well obviously Mexico has a lot of other "systemic" problems to overcome first, like widespread corruption, an entrenched political party, narco-trafficking & turf wars, and the lack of a middle class (though that part is slowly improving).

While arguably we have parts of our own country that seem to be "leading" the race in the "other direction"!

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