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Old 10-06-2012, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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A city or state being a sanctuary for illegal immigrants isn't just about issuing them driver's licenses. That isn't the only thing that equates to aiding and abettiing. Surely you know this.
It's what is listed for Santa Fe as a "sanctuary city", and is the primary part of a comment even here a couple years back:

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I live in Santa Fe, New Mexico which is a sanctuary city. Santa Fe also has a ridiculously high minimum wage... $10+ per hour. New Mexico also gives driver licenses to illegal immigrants. So what has the result been? This place has seen a huge jump in illegals (which is a burden to our one hospital and schools) and it's hard for the average high school kid or part-time worker to find a job.

I used to be indifferent on illegal immigration, but after living here for six years I have seen first hand the huge problems it creates. Maybe there are some good effects from it too, but I can't think of any.
Why not just list the entire state (they did for Oregon, and the state doesn't issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens like New Mexico does)? Governor Martinez has been unsuccessful with a few attempts to change the policy. I don't know what one-horse platform she will run for re-election on, since that didn't pan out like she wanted.
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Old 10-06-2012, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
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A few more points about how we in Canada deal with the need for temporary workers, to fill jobs that are vacant, such as skilled trades positions in the oil and gas exploration industry.

Canada has a "fast track Immigration " plan that matches skilled foreign workers, with Canadian employers that want to hire them. By doing this, we are able to fill vacancies, and do it with people that have been investigated, and approved, by our Federal Government. They MUST be able to speak, read, write and understand , either French or English, at a high school level, and pass a medical examination, and blood test, at their expense, in their country of origin. IF they are approved, ( in about 4 to 5 months time ) they get a two year "work permit " that includes a job offer from a Canadian company in their field of business.

At this time, the largest percentage of these skilled workers are coming from Ireland. About 250 Irish people a week are coming to Canada, under the skilled worker program. They are all trained, experienced and qualified trades persons, who are able to begin work here, as soon as they land in Canada. No language problems, no trouble adapting to living in a modern Democracy, and they sure are glad to be here, along with their spouses and kids.

Once they have worked in Canada, under their temp work permit, for two years, they can apply to become a Permanent Resident status holder, and after a further three years, they can apply to become a Canadian CITIZEN. Note, of all our Immigrants, from all over the world, about 80 percent become Canadian CITIZENS with in the first 8 years, of being in Canada.

We must be doing something right............Yes, we are .

Jim B

Toronto.

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Old 10-06-2012, 03:33 PM
 
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A few more points about how we in Canada deal with the need for temporary workers, to fill jobs that are vacant, such as skilled trades positions in the oil and gas exploration industry.

Canada has a "fast track Immigration " plan that matches skilled foreign workers, with Canadian employers that want to hire them. By doing this, we are able to fill vacancies, and do it with people that have been investigated, and approved, by our Federal Government. They MUST be able to speak, read, write and understand , either French or English, at a high school level, and pass a medical examination, and blood test, at their expense, in their country of origin. IF they are approved, ( in about 4 to 5 months time ) they get a two year "work permit " that includes a job offer from a Canadian company in their field of business.

At this time, the largest percentage of these skilled workers are coming from Ireland. About 250 Irish people a week are coming to Canada, under the skilled worker program. They are all trained, experienced and qualified trades persons, who are able to begin work here, as soon as they land in Canada. No language problems, no trouble adapting to living in a modern Democracy, and they sure are glad to be here, along with their spouses and kids.

Once they have worked in Canada, under their temp work permit, for two years, they can apply to become a Permanent Resident status holder, and after a further three years, they can apply to become a Canadian CITIZEN. Note, of all our Immigrants, from all over the world, about 80 percent become Canadian CITIZENS with in the first 8 years, of being in Canada.

We must be doing something right............Yes, we are .

Jim B

Toronto.
Sounds like a great system. Do the employers have to prove that they are unable to fill the job positions with Canadian citizens first?
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
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Yes. the employer has to show that they have advertised NATIONALLY and have had no positive results.

The Feds then do a Labour Market Opinion, to back up the employer's search.

With a postive LMO, the employer has the go ahead to hire a foreign worker, to fill their vacancy.

The Canadian system is designed to fill job vacancies fast.

The USA could learn a lot from Canada, in the way that we require Immigrants to be educated, skilled, and able to speak, read and write one of our official languages, and be able to ADAPT to our society and fit into our society. By testing them, before they arrive in Canada, we know that they will have a better chance of sucess here. About 70 percent of our Immigrants have a 4 year University degree. and some have a graduate degree.

The days of manual labourers coming to Canada are long gone.

We are looking for University graduates, who are highly skilled in an advanced technical field. OR skilled trades persons, who are fully trained and qualified, in their trade.

Jim B


Toronto.
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:11 PM
 
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The big question is Why does the USA refuse to use the working plan that Canada has to deal with the illegal alien problem? IT works.. Our politicians wont even talk about it must less do anything about it.
If it works in Canada it doesn't mean that it will work in the USA also.

Maybe you should ask why Illegal aliens refuse to follow the laws and then take it from there?
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Old 10-07-2012, 02:57 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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Yes. the employer has to show that they have advertised NATIONALLY and have had no positive results.

The Feds then do a Labour Market Opinion, to back up the employer's search.

With a postive LMO, the employer has the go ahead to hire a foreign worker, to fill their vacancy.

The Canadian system is designed to fill job vacancies fast.

The USA could learn a lot from Canada, in the way that we require Immigrants to be educated, skilled, and able to speak, read and write one of our official languages, and be able to ADAPT to our society and fit into our society. By testing them, before they arrive in Canada, we know that they will have a better chance of sucess here. About 70 percent of our Immigrants have a 4 year University degree. and some have a graduate degree.

The days of manual labourers coming to Canada are long gone.

We are looking for University graduates, who are highly skilled in an advanced technical field. OR skilled trades persons, who are fully trained and qualified, in their trade.

Jim B


Toronto.
I work in I.T., have a 4-year degree, and speak French...and I think I'm only 5-7 points over the minimum for immigration to Canada.

Oh, if ONLY we had that system here!
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Old 10-07-2012, 03:49 AM
 
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Yes. the employer has to show that they have advertised NATIONALLY and have had no positive results.

The Feds then do a Labour Market Opinion, to back up the employer's search.

With a postive LMO, the employer has the go ahead to hire a foreign worker, to fill their vacancy.

The Canadian system is designed to fill job vacancies fast.

The USA could learn a lot from Canada, in the way that we require Immigrants to be educated, skilled, and able to speak, read and write one of our official languages, and be able to ADAPT to our society and fit into our society. By testing them, before they arrive in Canada, we know that they will have a better chance of sucess here. About 70 percent of our Immigrants have a 4 year University degree. and some have a graduate degree.

The days of manual labourers coming to Canada are long gone.

We are looking for University graduates, who are highly skilled in an advanced technical field. OR skilled trades persons, who are fully trained and qualified, in their trade.

Jim B


Toronto.

It's supposed to work that way here in the US also. We have a program for highly sklled workers, but they're not the problem. The problem is those who walk across the border from Mexico, and who funnel through Mexico from Central and South America. No health chesck, no criminal background check, and rarely do any of them have more than an 8th grade education, if that. The only problem is that the laws aren't enforced, and to pacify citizens of Hispanic descent, many who have relatives living here illegally, politicians pander to them for votes.
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Old 10-07-2012, 07:17 AM
 
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It's supposed to work that way here in the US also. We have a program for highly sklled workers, but they're not the problem. The problem is those who walk across the border from Mexico, and who funnel through Mexico from Central and South America. No health chesck, no criminal background check, and rarely do any of them have more than an 8th grade education, if that. The only problem is that the laws aren't enforced, and to pacify citizens of Hispanic descent, many who have relatives living here illegally, politicians pander to them for votes.
Your last sentence nails it. I highly doubt that is the way that the Canadian government operates in regards to illegal immigrants.
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Old 10-07-2012, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
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Old glory"

Canada is lucky in two ways, as it pertains to illegal persons.

One, most of our Immigrants arrive by air, not on foot, so we have a excellent method of screening them, as soon as they land in Canada. If they dončt have the correct Immigration documents, when they arrive, they go back on the next flight, back home.

Second, geographically, we only have ONE border, the one with the USA. AND, our two countries have a legal treaty, that neither country will accept `refugees `from the other. In practice that means that a refugee claimant, who arrives at our border, via the USA, is automatically rejected, and sent back to the American side of the border.

We DO accept refugees, who fit the UN charter definition of a `person in need of protection `. They are all ways from a country that is in a state of war , or they are members of a group that is being persecuted, by the majority group, in their home land.

Each UN refugee claimant, in Canada, is supported and housed, and taught English or French, while their claim is being ajudicated, by the Refugee Board. About 70 percent of Refugee claims are denied, due to lies and false documents. Denied refugee claimants are sent back to their country of origin, at the expense of the airline that brought them to Canada. Canada accepts about 60 thousand refugees a year, and about 250,000 legal Immigrants per year. Based on a percentage of our national population ( 34 million ) we accept more Immigrants per year, than any other country on earth.

Unlike the USA, Canada sees legal Immigrants as valuable and important, to our economy, and future expansion. Canada was the first country in the world to have a national policy about multiculturalism, as a part of our Constitution. Tolerance and acceptance, are both articles of faith, in our country. We do not just talk about it, we actually do it !

Jim B

Toronto.
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Old 10-07-2012, 11:06 AM
 
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Old glory"

Canada is lucky in two ways, as it pertains to illegal persons.

One, most of our Immigrants arrive by air, not on foot, so we have a excellent method of screening them, as soon as they land in Canada. If they dončt have the correct Immigration documents, when they arrive, they go back on the next flight, back home.

Second, geographically, we only have ONE border, the one with the USA. AND, our two countries have a legal treaty, that neither country will accept `refugees `from the other. In practice that means that a refugee claimant, who arrives at our border, via the USA, is automatically rejected, and sent back to the American side of the border.

We DO accept refugees, who fit the UN charter definition of a `person in need of protection `. They are all ways from a country that is in a state of war , or they are members of a group that is being persecuted, by the majority group, in their home land.

Each UN refugee claimant, in Canada, is supported and housed, and taught English or French, while their claim is being ajudicated, by the Refugee Board. About 70 percent of Refugee claims are denied, due to lies and false documents. Denied refugee claimants are sent back to their country of origin, at the expense of the airline that brought them to Canada. Canada accepts about 60 thousand refugees a year, and about 250,000 legal Immigrants per year. Based on a percentage of our national population ( 34 million ) we accept more Immigrants per year, than any other country on earth.

Unlike the USA, Canada sees legal Immigrants as valuable and important, to our economy, and future expansion. Canada was the first country in the world to have a national policy about multiculturalism, as a part of our Constitution. Tolerance and acceptance, are both articles of faith, in our country. We do not just talk about it, we actually do it !

Jim B

Toronto.
Evidently there is somewhat of an illegal immigration problem though isn't there? I am guessing that some Mexicans and others south of our border are coming up all the way up to our northern border and getting into Canada? What happens when they are able to get through undected and caught later?

Yes, the fact that Canada only has a border with the U.S. is a plus. Not many Americans fleeing to Canada illegally either. I disagree though that the U.S. doesn't value legal immigrants. Afterall, we allow in over 1 million a year. The problem is we allow many in just because they have family ties here and many do become a burden to our society.

As for multi-culturism IMO that can only work if none of them are competing for dominance (because of their large numbers) with the mainstream culture. I am ok with sub-cultures in limited numbers but not multi-culterism per se or bi-culterism.

Thanks for your input as a Canadian citizen. I really liked the parts of Canada that I have visited and even considered moving there at one time. Family ties and age have been a deterrant, however.
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