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Old 11-08-2007, 02:41 PM
 
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Tinman,

I'm sure your right that some of the job sectors will fill. With that in mind, there's no way the other job sectors will be filled. Who wants to clean hotels and houses, wash dishes, cook food for eight hours in a restraunt hole, frame homes, pull weeds, do factory work, do maintenance, paint houses, when you can have a better paying job that's more relaxing and less stressful. You or anyone else will have a difficult time convincing people to do a hard labor job with less or insubstantial pay. In California, you can't afford to live in a mediocre area with minimum wage pay. The jobs I mentioned above are filled 99% by Latinos, and I'm not exaggerating.

And you are saying we ate off of dirty dishes when we ate out before Illegals? And was my grass three feet high ? And there was no daycare for our children? Seems I remember peaches before illegals. Cut them peach trees down,no one to pick them.
I had no problem getting my rent house roofed this year by American citizens, but what will I do now ? I had no problem getting American citizens to work on the inside of my rent house last month replacing sheetrock and tile in the bathroom. Gosh even the painter was an American. Funny thing was I had no problems at all Getting Americans to do this work. Now you are going to call me a racist for this but, they were all Black and White Americans and they did a good job. White roofers and Black gentelmen working inside the house.
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:53 PM
 
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Don't go there dude. There are plenty of liberals against illegal immigration, don't draw a stick in the sand.lol
Is that anything like "Foot Prints In The Sand"
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Old 11-08-2007, 03:04 PM
 
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This has previously been discussed a bit on the board, but it never hurts to restate the point. Illegal alien support or opposition is not a liberal or conservative issue. Conservatives have vulnerability from the benefit to business aspect of the issue while liberals are vulnerable from the social services perspective. Both points of view also oppose illegal alien rights significantly.
If this is not a liberal or conservative issue, why is it that 99% of the liberals in Washington DC vote for giving illegals the a path to citizenship and 95% of the republicans don't? Or was I miss reading the (D) and (R) by their names when they were on the news.
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Old 11-08-2007, 03:13 PM
 
Location: CA Coast
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It is helpful to remember that large corporations hire huge amounts of illegals, large corporations run by very serious Republicans.

I talk to many growers (read Agricultural business owners) picture a grower, 4x4 pickup with the back full of tools, blue jeans worn low with really big belt buckles, cowboy hats or ball caps with logos like CAT or John Deere, does this picture appear to be a liberal to you?

The major employers of illegals are largely Republicans, and they donate heavily to the Republican party.
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Old 11-08-2007, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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If this is not a liberal or conservative issue, why is it that 99% of the liberals in Washington DC vote for giving illegals the a path to citizenship and 95% of the republicans don't? Or was I miss reading the (D) and (R) by their names when they were on the news.
Your reading a snapshot vote, on a single issue championed by Bush and the companies benefitting from the inexpensive labor. That does not translate into illegal alien support at all, it pertains to a single idea for a proposed fix. Liberal supporters in the labor field are hurt when labor is devalued.

Business is basically a Republican Party support group, and the main beneficiary of inexpensive labor (lower cost of goods sold = more profits).
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Old 11-08-2007, 03:25 PM
 
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Your reading a snapshot vote, on a single issue championed by Bush and the companies benefitting from the inexpensive labor. That does not translate into illegal alien support at all, it pertains to a single idea for a proposed fix. Liberal supporters in the labor field are hurt when labor is devalued.

Business is basically a Republican Party support group, and the main beneficiary of inexpensive labor (lower cost of goods sold = more profits).
Bush was part of my 5% of republicans. And I was talking about a path to citizenship not a path to employment.
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Old 11-08-2007, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Pa
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It is helpful to remember that large corporations hire huge amounts of illegals, large corporations run by very serious Republicans.

I talk to many growers (read Agricultural business owners) picture a grower, 4x4 pickup with the back full of tools, blue jeans worn low with really big belt buckles, cowboy hats or ball caps with logos like CAT or John Deere, does this picture appear to be a liberal to you?

The major employers of illegals are largely Republicans, and they donate heavily to the Republican party.
Once again name the corporations!!! I'll make it easier name 10 that have been caught actively recruiting illegals outside of agriculture. Name 5....
No big corporations will run the risk of being exposed for such crimes. Thats worse than having a CEO caught money grabbing.
Name the corporations. I hear it everyday and yet nobody can name even 5. Fact is I have yet to hear the name of 1.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:04 PM
 
Location: CA Coast
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Archer Daniels Midland inc
Bruce Church inc
Castle and Cooke inc
Bud of California inc

and I do apologize for the namby pampy ism here, but ***** Farms, since 1909, Mama would not want me stirring up a hornets nest.

Don't think for a moment that
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No big corporations will run the risk of being exposed for such crimes
They must employ illegals in order to be competitive.

Heck, when I was a kid the local growers ran camps back up in the canyons, supplied housing and food to the illegals.

You may have seen the recent court case at the Ninth Circuit Court where the growers forced the government not to enforce the social security enforcement due to the fear of a labor shortage.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Archer Daniels Midland inc
Bruce Church inc
Castle and Cooke inc
Bud of California inc

and I do apologize for the namby pampy ism here, but ***** Farms, since 1909, Mama would not want me stirring up a hornets nest.

Don't think for a moment that They must employ illegals in order to be competitive.

Heck, when I was a kid the local growers ran camps back up in the canyons, supplied housing and food to the illegals.

You may have seen the recent court case at the Ninth Circuit Court where the growers forced the government not to enforce the social security enforcement due to the fear of a labor shortage.
Well I'll be whipped. Finally someone gave up some names.....
I was well aware of agriculture .
Most big Corporations Like Procter &Gamble steer a wide birth away from Illegals. It leaves them wide open for wrongful termination, unfair hiring practice lawsuits.
Example Tony the town drunk gets canned for reliability. 1 week later Ichi Yakomoto an illegal from Japan is hired..... Tony unable to accept he did it to himself sues the company. Jurist's see the deep pockets of the company award a large settlement just because . Happens everyday.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:38 PM
 
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Once again name the corporations!!! I'll make it easier name 10 that have been caught actively recruiting illegals outside of agriculture. Name 5....
No big corporations will run the risk of being exposed for such crimes. Thats worse than having a CEO caught money grabbing.
Name the corporations. I hear it everyday and yet nobody can name even 5. Fact is I have yet to hear the name of 1.
They do it thru subcontractors, that way they can say we didn't know. But wal mart still payed a million (I think it was a Million) in fines. A large meat packer in Oklahoma did and openly said he would do it again after they were raided (I can't remember their name). And I saw these two on the national news....so that's two for you. Like I said most use subcontractors and say it's not my job to check.
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