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Old 11-12-2007, 03:17 PM
 
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Exactly Nomander, I was being sarcastic!!!!
Doh! My bad, went right over my head. *chuckle*
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Old 11-13-2007, 12:16 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Nonsense.

What makes you think that illegals will obey this new law? What makes you think that illegals will follow any law we implement?
Because it could be market friendly, they would have an economic incentive to obey a simple law.

Why would a current illegal have any incentive to stay illegal, if they could be legal via a simple and market friendly work visa fee and fine?

By obtaining formal permission to live and work in the US, those formerly illegal labor market participants would have the same incentive as any other legal residents have to obey the laws.
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Old 11-13-2007, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Boise
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lawn mowing
gardening
nanny
pick fruit vegies
agriculture
walk beans
landscaping
packing house
roofing
painting
drywaller
framing/carpenter
road construction
wash dishes
cook
haul garbage
shipping/packing
factory/ assembly
laundry
houskeeping
I'm sure I missed some.hmmmmm...this list just keeps getting bigger every year, are you the next American that wont do your job?
I'm an American framer, all of my coworkers, are also white american framers. I know plenty of white sheetrockers. In fact almost everyone I've come into contact with in the construction world is a white American. Its not that Americans won't take these jobs, they won't take them for 3 bucks an hour like mexicans do.
BTW as far as crop pickers go, why can't we just use minimum security prison labor. You wouldn't have to pay them minimum wage.

And here's an idea, mow your own damn lawn.
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Old 11-13-2007, 01:10 PM
 
Location: California
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I'm an American framer, all of my coworkers, are also white american framers. I know plenty of white sheetrockers. In fact almost everyone I've come into contact with in the construction world is a white American. Its not that Americans won't take these jobs, they won't take them for 3 bucks an hour like mexicans do.
BTW as far as crop pickers go, why can't we just use minimum security prison labor. You wouldn't have to pay them minimum wage.

And here's an idea, mow your own damn lawn.
As you could probably imagine.. there aren't a lot of Mexicans in Idaho..
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Old 11-13-2007, 02:53 PM
 
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As you could probably imagine.. there aren't a lot of Mexicans in Idaho..

Which again, only goes to the fact that too often, BUT FOR the availability of our permanent underclass of neo-slaves, there is no "need" for illegals.

Or is there something about the weather in states close to the Mexican border that makes Americans less willing to do certain jobs that Americans in other parts of the country have no problem doing?
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:05 PM
 
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There is a legal, market friendly immigration process already in place. They ignored the law and now you want to reward them. I say turn up the heat on illegals as high as we can, while at the same time employing immigrants that come here to work through legal channels. Whats wrong with that?



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Because it could be market friendly, they would have an economic incentive to obey a simple law.

Why would a current illegal have any incentive to stay illegal, if they could be legal via a simple and market friendly work visa fee and fine?

By obtaining formal permission to live and work in the US, those formerly illegal labor market participants would have the same incentive as any other legal residents have to obey the laws.
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:32 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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There is a legal, market friendly immigration process already in place. They ignored the law and now you want to reward them. I say turn up the heat on illegals as high as we can, while at the same time employing immigrants that come here to work through legal channels. Whats wrong with that?
That is the whole point of my argument. If there were a market friendly work visa program in place, we would not now have an illegal problem to discuss.

The only problem with the form of prohibition that you advocate is, that it has never worked in the history of the US.

What is wrong with simply fining current illegals, and generating fee revenue from the labor market participants that go through legal channels?

A work visa is not the same as a residency visa. A hypothetical, and market friendly work visa program could be made renewable annually.
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Pa
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That is the whole point of my argument. If there were a market friendly work visa program in place, we would not now have an illegal problem to discuss.

The only problem with the form of prohibition that you advocate is, that it has never worked in the history of the US.

What is wrong with simply fining current illegals, and generating fee revenue from the labor market participants that go through legal channels?

A work visa is not the same as a residency visa. A hypothetical, and market friendly work visa program could be made renewable annually.
So you would reward the illegals for violating our laws? You would reward people for cheating? What message would that send? Dont wait come now before they change their minds....
No sir. There should always be a penalty for breaking the law, for cheating the system.. I always taught my son a dishonest victory is no victory at all. Its worse than loosing because you didnt even try to win fair.
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Old 11-13-2007, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I suspect a national chain has more than two ladies cleaning for them, incidentally, so I doubt that you would ever see the exact person in an add show up at your door. This is a ridiculous point as far as I'm concerned, because if you're hiring someone to look good, you don't go to a maid service anyways.

If they used photos of exclusively hispanic-looking women to market their service, then the hispanic community would be in an uproar over the "racism" of using hispanics to represent their housekeeping service.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. The level of political correctness needed to get through a day in this country is staggering, and is part of the problem of the sissification of the US.


Hispanic women-----------------------------from Argentina
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Old 11-13-2007, 08:31 PM
 
Location: California
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Funny to see most of the Latin American models are basically, White. For the record... Miss Mexico looks 10x better than Miss Argentina



Miss Mexico and Miss International 2007.

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