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Old 10-10-2007, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Good ol Georgia
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Imagine living next door and not being able to afford the visa or having to wait longer than 5 months or 3 years.
yeah, so? Everything in life has a price tag...if citizenship in our country is worth having, then they will scrimp and save and wait...others have and do...why because they think it's too time consuming or can't afford it, should they be able to just cross over and mooch?
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Old 10-10-2007, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Pa
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yeah, so? Everything in life has a price tag...if citizenship in our country is worth having, then they will scrimp and save and wait...others have and do...why because they think it's too time consuming or can't afford it, should they be able to just cross over and mooch?
Well said. Some people think that is to hard to work and save up their money, so they go out and rob banks, sell drugs, or steal from other people. So because they feel crime is a better quicker path that makes it okay? Should we change our laws so that stealing is no longer a crime?
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Old 10-10-2007, 12:40 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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You miss the point.... Its our nations right to impose what ever wait, charge whatever fees and decline whomever we feel undeserving.
When someone chooses to come here then it is they who must adapt and accept... We should not feel compelled to change our laws because some immigrants don't like them.
I can agree with your position, more, for residency visas than for work visas. We have at-will employment laws in the US. It is up to the market (employer) to decide who they want to hire or not. Anything else may be considered employment for cause, and should specify the length and conditions of employment.
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Old 10-10-2007, 12:42 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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yeah, so? Everything in life has a price tag...if citizenship in our country is worth having, then they will scrimp and save and wait...others have and do...why because they think it's too time consuming or can't afford it, should they be able to just cross over and mooch?
I agree with you for residency visas. A work visa is not the same as a residency visa.
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Old 10-10-2007, 01:03 PM
 
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Imagine not being able to afford the visa or having to wait longer than 5 months or 3 years to go to Mexico --- hello US Passport office...
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Old 10-10-2007, 02:02 PM
 
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yeah, so? Everything in life has a price tag...if citizenship in our country is worth having, then they will scrimp and save and wait...others have and do...why because they think it's too time consuming or can't afford it, should they be able to just cross over and mooch?
Well said!

I think that neither work visas should no longer be issued to mexicans due to the fact that soooo many ILLEGALS have already MORE than filled our mexican immigrant quota. I am sorry for the law abiding people in mexico who want to immigrate here, but, that whole country should have to feel the consequence of their fellow citizen's behavior. If we can't eliminate them altogether, let's triple the price.

Why is the U.S. always expected to cater to their desires? All the mexican government ever does is bad-mouth us and force their problems on us! They have even started making it harder for US to travel there.
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Old 10-10-2007, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I can agree with your position, more, for residency visas than for work visas. We have at-will employment laws in the US. It is up to the market (employer) to decide who they want to hire or not. Anything else may be considered employment for cause, and should specify the length and conditions of employment.
No its not up to the would be employers. The would be employers need to observe and follow the existing laws. Not break them and hope if they all do it often enough then we'll change the laws.
We need to do complete background checks and health screening no matter what kind of visa that is applied for. Keep in mind we are trying to protect our people from disease as well as crime.
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Old 10-10-2007, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Well said!

I think that neither work visas should no longer be issued to mexicans due to the fact that soooo many ILLEGALS have already MORE than filled our mexican immigrant quota. I am sorry for the law abiding people in mexico who want to immigrate here, but, that whole country should have to feel the consequence of their fellow citizen's behavior. If we can't eliminate them altogether, let's triple the price.

Why is the U.S. always expected to cater to their desires? All the mexican government ever does is bad-mouth us and force their problems on us! They have even started making it harder for US to travel there.
Beautifully said. When a nation as a collective trespasses it should be held accountable. In this case when its such a large number from one nation abusing our generosity and our laws then that nation should be singled out. For you that would say its a racist statement? I dont care if it was Canada or England that was guilty of it. IT is the act that is in question not the race.
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Old 10-10-2007, 03:08 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Well said!

I think that neither work visas should no longer be issued to mexicans due to the fact that soooo many ILLEGALS have already MORE than filled our mexican immigrant quota. I am sorry for the law abiding people in mexico who want to immigrate here, but, that whole country should have to feel the consequence of their fellow citizen's behavior. If we can't eliminate them altogether, let's triple the price.

Why is the U.S. always expected to cater to their desires? All the mexican government ever does is bad-mouth us and force their problems on us! They have even started making it harder for US to travel there.
I am not sure I understand your position on market friendly work visas. There would be no quotas for work visas, with a market friendly public policy. There would also not be any guarantee of employment, just as there is no guarantee of employment for any other US labor market participant.
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Old 10-10-2007, 03:11 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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No its not up to the would be employers. The would be employers need to observe and follow the existing laws. Not break them and hope if they all do it often enough then we'll change the laws.
We need to do complete background checks and health screening no matter what kind of visa that is applied for. Keep in mind we are trying to protect our people from disease as well as crime.
It is already up to (the private sector) employers to decide who they want to hire. There are no mandatory hires, even in "right to work" states. Why would you expect any government to tell you (as an employer) who to hire, if it will not add to your private profit motive?

Why do you suggest that which is not required for all US labor market participants? It is up to the individual employer to determine who, and under what conditions (for cause employment), they want to hire any US labor market participant.


Market friendly work visas could render any current illegals, legal for employment purposes; and, generate revenue (from fines and fees) that can reduce public and private sector costs.
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