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Old 10-09-2007, 11:23 AM
 
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I'm hoping we are getting past the point where we run and hide just because someone who's breaking our laws chooses to call us racist. But in the past it has been proven to be a very successful way of shutting people up.

And I agree the illegals here are setting the stage for a lawless society, you can already see it in areas that are swamped with illegal aliens.

But the real problem deporting the illegal aliens isn't the federal government refusing enforcing our laws. The real problem is too many Americans either actually want illegals here, or they want our border secured and are willing to let the ones already here stay and become legal.

I have to say that I am one of those who feel it's past the time to send them back. It will never happen. I think if we are ever going to get any sort of control we need to do something now. Which, unfortunately, means allowing them to stay.

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Old 10-09-2007, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Nope, means enforce our laws and make it VERY uncomfortable to be and stay here. Thats all we need.
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Old 10-09-2007, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Cali
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Nope, means enforce our laws and make it VERY uncomfortable to be and stay here. Thats all we need.
Lets make it UNBEARABLY uncomfortable!!:-)
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Old 10-09-2007, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I have to agree, I doubt the laws will ever be enforced here. Not really, maybe once in a while for a media op.
I disagree. The people of the State of Arizona are DEMANDING that the laws be strongly enforced

The voters have, by a wide majority, spoken. If these laws are not enforced, absent the courts vacating the law, the uprising in Arizona will be, IMO, very dramatic -
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Old 10-09-2007, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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I disagree. The people of the State of Arizona are DEMANDING that the laws be strongly enforced

The voters have, by a wide majority, spoken. If these laws are not enforced, absent the courts vacating the law, the uprising in Arizona will be, IMO, very dramatic -
Where is the breakdown in enforcement of the laws? Is it lack of sufficient manpower, cost or politics?
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Old 10-09-2007, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Where is the breakdown in enforcement of the laws? Is it lack of sufficient manpower, cost or politics?
When I lived there it was all three. But people spoke up, now I here things are really changing.
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Old 10-09-2007, 12:24 PM
 
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I disagree. The people of the State of Arizona are DEMANDING that the laws be strongly enforced

The voters have, by a wide majority, spoken. If these laws are not enforced, absent the courts vacating the law, the uprising in Arizona will be, IMO, very dramatic -
I LIVE in Arizona. Scottsdale to be exact. NO ONE is abiding by the law nor does the general public think it will be enforced. I wish it were the other way around, but it just isn't. It's laughable here.
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Old 10-09-2007, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Where is the breakdown in enforcement of the laws? Is it lack of sufficient manpower, cost or politics?
Manpower and cost - for the moment

That said, the legislature this past session appropriated the money - so, that issue is, for the moment, taken care of.

Now, it is the manpower.

But the "biggy" is the law that goes into effect on Jan 1. Employers who "knowingly" hire someone in the country illegally will lose their business license (on the 2nd occurance) permanently
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Old 10-09-2007, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I LIVE in Arizona. Scottsdale to be exact. NO ONE is abiding by the law nor does the general public think it will be enforced. I wish it were the other way around, but it just isn't. It's laughable here.
I disagree.

AND, all you have to do is look at how popular Joe Arpaio is to see evidence of this
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Old 10-09-2007, 12:54 PM
 
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I disagree.

AND, all you have to do is look at how popular Joe Arpaio is to see evidence of this
Joe's son is my travel agent, I know the situation all too well. One man cannot solve this problem...
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