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Old 10-14-2012, 08:18 PM
 
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The real trend: Something happens where a Border Patrol agent shoots a Mexican in Mexico, and they say "rock throwing". Even when a video may come out later on that doesn't show rock being thrown (Sergio Adrian Hernández Güereca, Guillermo Arévalo Pedroza), the claim doesn't change.

Re-read my responses to you on the thread, because you are repeating yourself...
Who is doing the filming, a Mexican in Mexico? No biasness there, right? As someone else already pointed out they saw no rock throwing nor did they see any firing of a gun.

Actually, it is you repeating that there were no rocks thrown. Out of all the several incidents of this type rock throwing was never involved? Again, why would a Border Patrol agent shoot a Mexican on his side of the border for nothing? Better yet let's just drop it, shall we?
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Old 10-14-2012, 10:10 PM
 
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[quote=Oldglory;26511791]Who is doing the filming, a Mexican in Mexico? No biasness there, right? As someone else already pointed out they saw no rock throwing nor did they see any firing of a gun...[quote]

Did you hear the shots starting at 2:52 in the video? This is confirmed by news organizations to be video footage of the incident. Are you saying the video is somehow edited, fabricated, or hid evidence of rock throwing?

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Actually, it is you repeating that there were no rocks thrown. Out of all the several incidents of this type rock throwing was never involved? Again, why would a Border Patrol agent shoot a Mexican on his side of the border for nothing? Better yet let's just drop it, shall we?
I'm not saying that rock throwing was never involved, I'm saying that has been the standard answer from the Border Patrol to explain these incidents, even when video later surfaces on a couple instances to show that it was unlikely...

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On May 7, [2012], Rep. Silvestre Reyes, a member of the Hispanic Caucus and himself a 26-year veteran of the Border Patrol, wrote a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder raising concerns about the DOJ's decision not to bring charges in the Hernandez Guereca case and saying that case and the Anastasio Hernandez case "pose questions regarding the appropriate use of force and actions of the U.S. Border Patrol." He also asks for assurance that high-profile cases like these are "appropriately investigated."
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Old 10-14-2012, 10:59 PM
 
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I think the story is fake. Our good border patrolmen would never do such a thing. this story was made up by pro illegals Im sure.
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Old 10-14-2012, 11:42 PM
 
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I'm not saying that rock throwing was never involved, I'm saying that has been the standard answer from the Border Patrol to explain these incidents, even when video later surfaces on a couple instances to show that it was unlikely...
Israel makes the same claim: rock throwing, when they kill Palestinians and the world doesn't have a problem with that. Rocks are used when guns aren't available.
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Old 10-15-2012, 12:34 AM
 
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Israel makes the same claim: rock throwing, when they kill Palestinians and the world doesn't have a problem with that. Rocks are used when guns aren't available.
I could probably guess how you felt about the all-out massacre of Namir Noor-Eldeen...

For the incident involving Sergio Adrian Hernández Güereca, it was revealed that the Department of Justice had reviewed internal surveillance video (since it was in an area where CBP had mounted cameras themselves), but it was never released to the public. Such video, if it was as the Border Patrol explained the incident, could have instantly cleared the agent. Maybe we need to wait for a Wikileaks there too.
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Old 10-15-2012, 07:04 AM
 
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I could probably guess how you felt about the all-out massacre of Namir Noor-Eldeen...

For the incident involving Sergio Adrian Hernández Güereca, it was revealed that the Department of Justice had reviewed internal surveillance video (since it was in an area where CBP had mounted cameras themselves), but it was never released to the public. Such video, if it was as the Border Patrol explained the incident, could have instantly cleared the agent. Maybe we need to wait for a Wikileaks there too.
First, that is totally off topic, but I will respond. Shame on you. How sad you have to use that as a comparison. Reporters know the risks and take the risks when they decide to go into a war zone. On top of their being their our soldiers have to protect them. Our soldiers become their personal body guards. Namer and Saeed, along with the citizens, died as a result of an air-strike. Our military are not perfect and **** happens, bad intel happens. Exactly how would those in the air know that reporters were in the area? It's not as if an American soldier had them in his site and pulled the trigger. We have lost many US soldiers in every war from friendly fire.

Every person who is not a US citizen and steps up and voluntarily enlists and fights for this country, knowing they could be making the ultimate sacrifice, should get immediate citizenship at the same time their honorable discharge is signed, along with his/her wife/husband and children. If they should die serving this country, making the utlimate sacrifice, their family (again husband/wife, children) should be given citizenship and the benefits that would go to every American in the same circumstance. That's my personal opinion.
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Old 10-15-2012, 07:10 AM
 
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First, that is totally off topic, but I will respond. Shame on you. How sad you have to use that as a comparison. Reporters know the risks and take the risks when they decide to go into a war zone. On top of their being their our soldiers have to protect them. Our soldiers become their personal body guards. Namer and Saeed, along with the citizens, died as a result of an air-strike. Our military are not perfect and **** happens, bad intel happens. Exactly how would those in the air know that reporters were in the area? It's not as if an American soldier had them in his site and pulled the trigger. We have lost many US soldiers in every war from friendly fire.

Every person who is not a US citizen and steps up and voluntarily enlists and fights for this country, knowing they could be making the ultimate sacrifice, should get immediate citizenship at the same time their honorable discharge is signed, along with his/her wife/husband and children. If they should die serving this country, making the utlimate sacrifice, their family (again husband/wife, children) should be given citizenship and the benefits that would go to every American in the same circumstance. That's my personal opinion.
And back on topic again. What would be the motive for a Border Patrol agent to shoot a Mexican on his/her side of the border unless they were defending themselves? Third time I have asked. I give up.
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Old 10-15-2012, 07:32 AM
 
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A little bit over a month ago, there was another Mexican killed in what the Border Patrol blamed on "rock throwing". Read the article, then give your input on whether you would feel it was justified. After that, we can watch a video of the incident.
Do you think it was justified?
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Old 10-15-2012, 08:40 AM
 
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Do you think it was justified?
According to the Mexican government our Border Patrol using a lethal weapon to defend themselves from a lethal weapon attack by Mexicans is not justified.

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"The Mexican government has repeatedly expressed that the disproportionate use of lethal force in the exercising of immigration control functions is unacceptable under ANY circumstance," the foreign ministry said Wednesday, calling for a thorough investigation.
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Old 10-15-2012, 09:22 AM
 
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According to the Mexican government our Border Patrol using a lethal weapon to defend themselves from a lethal weapon attack by Mexicans is not justified.

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"The Mexican government has repeatedly expressed that the disproportionate use of lethal force in the exercising of immigration control functions is unacceptable under ANY circumstance," the foreign ministry said Wednesday, calling for a thorough investigation.
Didn't U.S. Congressman Silvestre Reyes (from El Paso) also say these cases "pose questions regarding the appropriate use of force and actions of the U.S. Border Patrol" and that they should be "appropriately investigated"? He was in the Border Patrol for 26 years. Which article are you quoting? Two of the incidents had video that didn't show rock being thrown, and the case of Anastasio Hernandez Rojas wasn't reported that way by the Border Patrol.
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