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Old 10-15-2012, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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To my knowledge it hasn't been determined for sure yet that Ivie died due to "friendly fire". If so, mistakes are made. Why don't you wait until all the details come out about how this occured rather than asking those of us in the forum who aren't any more privy to the truth than you are? We don't live in a perfect society so no use whining about it or beating it to death. If it was friendly fire I am sure the agents responsible will be dealt with.

At any rate if you are trying to use this case as an example of Border Patrol agents supposedly making a mistake and shooting a Mexican national or that there was no rock throwing involved. There were numerous cases of it. Were they all mistakes?

Here's an article written about the story.

Rest In Peace: Border Agent Nicolas Ivie | Opinion - Conservative
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The Cochise County Sheriff's Office, which is assisting the FBI, said federal investigators had used ballistic testing to determine the shootings were likely the result of so-called friendly fire among the agents.


My quoted article is more than a week old, and more relevant than any speculation of an ambush on the day of the incident, before investigators had fully analyzed the scene. The two agents reporting being "ambushed by three or four people" is interesting, when later news releases said that no individuals were in the area other than the agents themselves. All three agents discharged their weapons, and they were the only ones hit (the female agent luckily escaped any injury).

Just the fact that the injured agent was never identified is a hint in itself. I certainly don't think that all of these "rock-throwing" incidents are a "mistake", and believe that many of them are based on rocks actually being thrown. But there is probably at least a couple that never had a rock thrown, despite the Border Patrol explaining it that way.
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Old 10-15-2012, 05:27 PM
 
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My quoted article is more than a week old, and more relevant than any speculation of an ambush on the day of the incident, before investigators had fully analyzed the scene. The two agents reporting being "ambushed by three or four people" is interesting, when later news releases said that no individuals were in the area other than the agents themselves. All three agents discharged their weapons, and they were the only ones hit (the female agent luckily escaped any injury).

Just the fact that the injured agent was never identified is a hint in itself. I certainly don't think that all of these "rock-throwing" incidents are a "mistake", and believe that many of them are based on rocks actually being thrown. But there is probably at least a couple that never had a rock thrown, despite the Border Patrol explaining it that way.
"Likely" (not for sure or proven). "Probably" (an opinion not based on proven facts).
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Old 10-15-2012, 11:26 PM
 
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If the patrol used trained dogs they wouldnt have to get out and be targets. The dogs would be on the arses of the bad guys so fast they couldn't run and hide. Then the patrol could round them up that is the ones that dont kill a dog. If they really want to catch these border jumpers why dont they use hundreds of dogs and not just a few for show...I think they dont want to catch most of the jumpers.If a group of 25 mexicans know that that truck they hear coming is going to let out about 10 trained border dogs they wont be hanging around looking to make trouble for the border guards..Dogs dont speak spanish and dont give a ratts ass about learning to speak spanish if you know what I mean? Word will get out.
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Old 10-18-2012, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Whats the big deal?
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:34 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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That ping sounds like someone hitting rocks with a bat and if anyone has done that they travel quite a ways. What kind of Parent takes their kids to a freakin war zone for some R and R? When I'm down that close I'm armed to the teeth cause of the known smugglers. I mean really? There are signs all over warning over it.
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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To my knowledge it hasn't been determined for sure yet that Ivie died due to "friendly fire". If so, mistakes are made. Why don't you wait until all the details come out about how this occured rather than asking those of us in the forum who aren't any more privy to the truth than you are? We don't live in a perfect society so no use whining about it or beating it to death. If it was friendly fire I am sure the agents responsible will be dealt with.

At any rate are trying to use this case as an example of Border Patrol agents supposedly making mistakes and shooting Mexican nationals or that there was no rock throwing involved? There were numerous cases of it. Were they all mistakes?

Here's an article written about the story.

Rest In Peace: Border Agent Nicolas Ivie | Opinion - Conservative
Border agents in contact before deadly shooting

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While the report sheds some light on the shooting, key details remained unanswered, such as just why Ivie opened fire contrary to training that dictates agents should only discharge their weapons once they have identified a suspect as hostile. "None of them should have started firing unless they were returning fire from a smuggler or whatever the perpetrator might have been," said retired Border Patrol Agent Jim Dorcy.
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Old 11-04-2012, 06:31 AM
 
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Border agents in contact before deadly shooting

When there is a conviction in this case get back with us.
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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When there is a conviction in this case get back with us.
Do you think that is the logical conclusion to prove a "friendly fire" incident happened? You've answered much of the same way about Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his department profiling based on ethnicity. I'm trying to discern the thought process that a crime takes a conviction to show the truth of its occurrence.

But I can't say I'm surprised, the way I see even basic logic dismissed around here...
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