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According to the Mexican government our Border Patrol using a lethal weapon to defend themselves from a lethal weapon attack by Mexicans is not justified.
From the article:
"TheMexicangovernmenthasrepeatedlyexpressedthatthedisproportionateuseoflethalforceintheexercisingofimmigrationcontrolfunctionsisunacceptableunderANYcircumstance," theforeignministrysaidWednesday, callingfor a thoroughinvestigation.
Uh; Mexico, please KEEP your people IN Mexico except at checkpoints. Sheesh!
Didn't U.S. Congressman Silvestre Reyes (from El Paso) also say these cases "pose questions regarding the appropriate use of force and actions of the U.S. Border Patrol" and that they should be "appropriately investigated"? He was in the Border Patrol for 26 years. Which article are you quoting? Two of the incidents had video that didn't show rock being thrown, and the case of Anastasio Hernandez Rojas wasn't reported that way by the Border Patrol.
You know as well as I do that the ethnic group sticks together right or wrong. It transcends both of our borders whether one is U.S. citizen or one is a Mexican national. So congressmen Reyes' views do not surprise me. However, in all fairness yes these incidents do need investigating to determine that there was no foul play involved. But everytime one of these incidents happen the Border Patrol gets accused of wrongdoing by Mexico and those of same ethnic group or ties to that group itself do likewise. Mexico has no right to tell us that our Border Patrol can't defend themselves from lethal force within our borders or beyond them. On another note Mexico is constantly butting into our political affairs and laws in regards to their citizens here illegally.
First, that is totally off topic, but I will respond. Shame on you. How sad you have to use that as a comparison. Reporters know the risks and take the risks when they decide to go into a war zone. On top of their being their our soldiers have to protect them. Our soldiers become their personal body guards. Namer and Saeed, along with the citizens, died as a result of an air-strike. Our military are not perfect and **** happens, bad intel happens. Exactly how would those in the air know that reporters were in the area? It's not as if an American soldier had them in his site and pulled the trigger. We have lost many US soldiers in every war from friendly fire...
The "airstrike" was from Apache "Gunships", so yeah, a soldier sighted in the 30-mm armor-piercing rounds. On the Wikileaked video they questioned the delay from their command to engage: "Come on, let us shoot!". The Army also had pictures of "weapons" supposedly by the bodies (before the video came out a couple years later), how truthful would their account of the incident be in hindsight?
This is "the fog of war" people refer to, just like it tragically was for Border Patrol officer Nicolas Ivie, firing on fellow agents...
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Originally Posted by softblueyz
...Every person who is not a US citizen and steps up and voluntarily enlists and fights for this country, knowing they could be making the ultimate sacrifice, should get immediate citizenship at the same time their honorable discharge is signed, along with his/her wife/husband and children. If they should die serving this country, making the utlimate sacrifice, their family (again husband/wife, children) should be given citizenship and the benefits that would go to every American in the same circumstance. That's my personal opinion.
Immigrant U.S. servicemembers already have a fast-tracked, cost-free naturalization process...
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Originally Posted by All American NYC
Do you think it was justified?
I think it was "the fog of war". At 2:38 in the video, a boy makes a sound with an aluminum bat that would have been heard above the engine of the airboat. Their posture seems to change (the person filming the video runs towards the river to warn her family) and shots are fired at 2:52 in the video.
I believe there wasn't any rock throwing for the Border Patrol to justify that as an excuse...
The "airstrike" was from Apache "Gunships", so yeah, a soldier sighted in the 30-mm armor-piercing rounds. On the Wikileaked video they questioned the delay from their command to engage: "Come on, let us shoot!". The Army also had pictures of "weapons" supposedly by the bodies (before the video came out a couple years later), how truthful would their account of the incident be in hindsight?
This is "the fog of war" people refer to, just like it tragically was for Border Patrol officer Nicolas Ivie, firing on fellow agents...
Immigrant U.S. servicemembers already have a fast-tracked, cost-free naturalization process...
I think it was "the fog of war". At 2:38 in the video, a boy makes a sound with an aluminum bat that would have been heard above the engine of the airboat. Their posture seems to change (the person filming the video runs towards the river to warn her family) and shots are fired at 2:52 in the video.
I believe there wasn't any rock throwing for the Border Patrol to justify that as an excuse...
You have to remember the officer felt he was under attack. Often these illegals or migrants are armed & trafficking. The officer felt he was under attack & had to defend himself.
No, Mexicans need to stop throwing rocks at our Border Patrol whether they are having a birthday party or not. There is no reason to believe that our Border Patrol would shoot a Mexican national on his side of the border or ours unless they had reason to.
The "airstrike" was from Apache "Gunships", so yeah, a soldier sighted in the 30-mm armor-piercing rounds. On the Wikileaked video they questioned the delay from their command to engage: "Come on, let us shoot!". The Army also had pictures of "weapons" supposedly by the bodies (before the video came out a couple years later), how truthful would their account of the incident be in hindsight?
This is "the fog of war" people refer to, just like it tragically was for Border Patrol officer Nicolas Ivie, firing on fellow agents...
Immigrant U.S. servicemembers already have a fast-tracked, cost-free naturalization process...
I think it was "the fog of war". At 2:38 in the video, a boy makes a sound with an aluminum bat that would have been heard above the engine of the airboat. Their posture seems to change (the person filming the video runs towards the river to warn her family) and shots are fired at 2:52 in the video.
I believe there wasn't any rock throwing for the Border Patrol to justify that as an excuse...
For the 4th time why would a Border Patrol agent just shoot a Mexican national for no reason? What would be his motive?
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