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Old 11-19-2009, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I talked to an Army recruiter about a year ago and he told me illegals CANNOT join the military...A foreign person has to have a green card to join...

Even when I joined way back when I had to prove I was a United States citizen.
Exactly. The only way an illegal could enter Military service is by using a false ID, Birth certicicate,SSN and H.S Diploma. In other words by fraud.
Such behavior should never be rewarded regardless of his service.
It would dishonor all those who were honest and had honor.
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Old 11-20-2009, 02:02 AM
 
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I talked to an Army recruiter about a year ago and he told me illegals CANNOT join the military...A foreign person has to have a green card to join...

Even when I joined way back when I had to prove I was a United States citizen.
Your recruiter did not lie to you. You cannot join the service unless you are at least LEGAL. That is not to say that illegal immigrants do not join because some do. Fraudulent? YES! Prior to 1973, I believe, you could join freely. After that, no more...though some still did. This is something you will not hear in the media. As a matter of fact, they are discouraged from enlisting. If the government openly advertised for illegals to join the military, dont you think there would be a wave not just from those that are in the country illegally but those that are currently in other countries? 70% as I read in another article, from all over the world, want to relocate and the US is one of the top choices.

I few years ago, I saw a special report on TV where three teens right out of high school enlisted using their fake documents. After serving in Afganistan, they asked to be legalized and the government refused but given the fact that they were seeking advocacy...they quieted them down and gave them citizenship. A good lawyer is all you need...policy is policy but heck, what do I know?

Its your right if you dont want to believe. Its not that important. Its also your right if you dont believe in giving illegal immigrants who did serve, citizenship.

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Illegal immigrants are not eligible to be US soldiers. An illegal immigrant who is caught fraudulently serving in the US army is normally discharged. The military discovered Escalante’s illegal status while he was deployed in Iraq, and decided that he would better serve America as a US citizen than as a deported immigrant.
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In 1973, the United States established that all Armed Forces would be based on a voluntary system on watch. They accept solely like members to American citizens or to permanent legal residents”, it needed the government Washington.
The EU says that it will not recruit illegal - to consider
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Old 11-20-2009, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Your recruiter did not lie to you. You cannot join the service unless you are at least LEGAL. That is not to say that illegal immigrants do not join because some do. Fraudulent? YES! Prior to 1973, I believe, you could join freely. After that, no more...though some still did. This is something you will not hear in the media. As a matter of fact, they are discouraged from enlisting. If the government openly advertised for illegals to join the military, dont you think there would be a wave not just from those that are in the country illegally but those that are currently in other countries? 70% as I read in another article, from all over the world, want to relocate and the US is one of the top choices.

I few years ago, I saw a special report on TV where three teens right out of high school enlisted using their fake documents. After serving in Afganistan, they asked to be legalized and the government refused but given the fact that they were seeking advocacy...they quieted them down and gave them citizenship. A good lawyer is all you need...policy is policy but heck, what do I know?

Its your right if you dont want to believe. Its not that important. Its also your right if you dont believe in giving illegal immigrants who did serve, citizenship.



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The EU says that it will not recruit illegal - to consider
No, I do NOT believe if permitted, there would be a wave of illegals and foreigners from throughout this world enlisting in our military. Remember, we are at war. They have no love for this country, or allegiance; so why on earth would they be willing to die?

On the other hand, if they could join during peacetime, and avail themselves of the myriad military benefits, AND improve their chances for citizenship, then yes, they would volunteer for the military in a heartbeat. Personal gain would be the impetus, period.

What is the basis for your assertion? Simply because 70% of the world may desire to live in this country, certainly does not equate to wanting to die for this country.
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Old 11-20-2009, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Originally Posted by zacatecana View Post
Your recruiter did not lie to you. You cannot join the service unless you are at least LEGAL. That is not to say that illegal immigrants do not join because some do. Fraudulent? YES! Prior to 1973, I believe, you could join freely. After that, no more...though some still did. This is something you will not hear in the media. As a matter of fact, they are discouraged from enlisting. If the government openly advertised for illegals to join the military, dont you think there would be a wave not just from those that are in the country illegally but those that are currently in other countries? 70% as I read in another article, from all over the world, want to relocate and the US is one of the top choices.

I few years ago, I saw a special report on TV where three teens right out of high school enlisted using their fake documents. After serving in Afganistan, they asked to be legalized and the government refused but given the fact that they were seeking advocacy...they quieted them down and gave them citizenship. A good lawyer is all you need...policy is policy but heck, what do I know?

Its your right if you dont want to believe. Its not that important. Its also your right if you dont believe in giving illegal immigrants who did serve, citizenship.



Soldier Becomes US Citizen



The EU says that it will not recruit illegal - to consider
Alls you need is a good lawyer? And lawyers wonder why they are amoung the most dispised. How can you possibly feel that it is ok to reward fraud?
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Old 11-23-2009, 01:40 AM
 
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Alls you need is a good lawyer? And lawyers wonder why they are amoung the most dispised. How can you possibly feel that it is ok to reward fraud?
No tinman, you asked and I gave you the information. All I said is that YES, illegal immigrants have served in our wars and YES, they have received citizenship.

Do I believe that illegal immigrants should be given the right to enlist and get citizenship? Not unless it was under the DREAM ACT. Do I believe in the DREAM ACT? YES!
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Old 11-23-2009, 01:43 AM
 
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No, I do NOT believe if permitted, there would be a wave of illegals and foreigners from throughout this world enlisting in our military. Remember, we are at war. They have no love for this country, or allegiance; so why on earth would they be willing to die?

On the other hand, if they could join during peacetime, and avail themselves of the myriad military benefits, AND improve their chances for citizenship, then yes, they would volunteer for the military in a heartbeat. Personal gain would be the impetus, period.

What is the basis for your assertion? Simply because 70% of the world may desire to live in this country, certainly does not equate to wanting to die for this country.
Maybe you are right, not outside the country but the three students that received citizenship did enlist knowing they would be deployed to Iraq. They were however, living in this country even if illegaly.
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Old 11-24-2009, 02:52 PM
 
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No tinman, you asked and I gave you the information. All I said is that YES, illegal immigrants have served in our wars and YES, they have received citizenship.

Do I believe that illegal immigrants should be given the right to enlist and get citizenship? Not unless it was under the DREAM ACT. Do I believe in the DREAM ACT? YES!
Why should military service only be included in the DREAM Act?
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Old 11-24-2009, 07:19 PM
 
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Who says illegals cannot join the military? I thought they had programs in place for this.

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Stretched thin in Afghanistan and Iraq, the American military will begin recruiting skilled immigrants who are living in this country with temporary visas, offering them the chance to become United States citizens in as little as six months.

Immigrants who are permanent residents, with documents commonly known as green cards, have long been eligible to enlist. But the new effort, for the first time since the Vietnam War, will open the armed forces to temporary immigrants if they have lived in the United States for a minimum of two years, according to military officials familiar with the plan.

Recruiters expect that the temporary immigrants will have more education, foreign language skills and professional expertise than many Americans who enlist, helping the military to fill shortages in medical care, language interpretation and field intelligence analysis.

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Old 11-24-2009, 07:26 PM
 
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Who says illegals cannot join the military? I thought they had programs in place for this.
No they do not.
All applicants must have valid documentation. Birth certificate, High school diploma, SSN etc.
One can not enter without the above. If one uses false ID they are subject to the UCMJ. End result would be either an other than honorable or a dishonorable discharge.
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Old 11-24-2009, 07:38 PM
 
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No they do not.
All applicants must have valid documentation. Birth certificate, High school diploma, SSN etc.
One can not enter without the above. If one uses false ID they are subject to the UCMJ. End result would be either an other than honorable or a dishonorable discharge.
Sure enough. Maybe if I had read the whole article:
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The military does not allow illegal immigrants to enlist, and that policy would not change, officers said. Recruiting officials pointed out that volunteers with temporary visas would have already passed a security screening and would have shown that they had no criminal record.

NY Times article
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