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Old 11-02-2012, 05:41 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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If you are illegal the only road open to you should be the one that leads you home.
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Exactly.

Citizenship isn't much respected otherwise -- but there are a couple of perks that go with it. Many will only take USA citizenship because it's being offered to them on a silver platter - but their own country's citizenship is more valued. That's one reason they believe that no one from their country should be expected to abide by any laws of the USA. They have zero respect for the USA and it's laws.
Whom are you talking about? It is a requirement to be a Legal Permanent Resident for a minimum of five years (three years if married to a U.S. citizen) before being able to apply for naturalization. "Offered to them on a silver platter" doesn't make it seem like someone has to pay naturalization petition fees.

Before also saying "they" also swat butterflies out of the air, and stomp on bunnies, whom exactly do you mean?...
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:26 AM
 
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Whom are you talking about? It is a requirement to be a Legal Permanent Resident for a minimum of five years (three years if married to a U.S. citizen) before being able to apply for naturalization. "Offered to them on a silver platter" doesn't make it seem like someone has to pay naturalization petition fees.

Before also saying "they" also swat butterflies out of the air, and stomp on bunnies, whom exactly do you mean?...
5 years is hardly a long time, certainly 3 years isn't. Many marriages don't even last 3 years. Just manage to stay married for 3 years and voila -- US citizenship! Then you can start hauling in all the family members you left behind.

And the illegals are demanding a route to US citizenship so they can legally haul in their long lost family members -- but they don't expect to be held to the same laws the legal immigrants follow. Any illegal can return home and apply to come here legally.
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Old 11-03-2012, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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5 years is hardly a long time, certainly 3 years isn't. Many marriages don't even last 3 years. Just manage to stay married for 3 years and voila -- US citizenship! Then you can start hauling in all the family members you left behind...
But let's be clear, you aren't referring to illegal aliens. The naturalization requirements we are talking about are for Legal Permanent Residents. Family sponsorship can only be done by U.S. citizens and Legal Permanent Residents.

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...And the illegals are demanding a route to US citizenship so they can legally haul in their long lost family members -- but they don't expect to be held to the same laws the legal immigrants follow. Any illegal can return home and apply to come here legally.
False. Where is your sources from official sites (if it is possible, USCIS would have a process, find it for us) for ANY of this garbage you are attempting to feed us? Your comments have always been directed at a specific ethnicity, not differentiating if they are even U.S. citizens or Legal Permanent Residents, and belittling their marriages:

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Exactly.

Citizenship isn't much respected otherwise -- but there are a couple of perks that go with it. Many will only take USA citizenship because it's being offered to them on a silver platter - but their own country's citizenship is more valued. That's one reason they believe that no one from their country should be expected to abide by any laws of the USA. They have zero respect for the USA and it's laws.
You've fully identified that you are referring to U.S. citizens, saying that "they" have no respect for the United States and its laws...

That's off-topic for a forum about illegal immigration...
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Old 11-03-2012, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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But let's be clear, you aren't referring to illegal aliens. The naturalization requirements we are talking about are for Legal Permanent Residents. Family sponsorship can only be done by U.S. citizens and Legal Permanent Residents.



False. Where is your sources from official sites (if it is possible, USCIS would have a process, find it for us) for ANY of this garbage you are attempting to feed us? Your comments have always been directed at a specific ethnicity, not differentiating if they are even U.S. citizens or Legal Permanent Residents, and belittling their marriages:


You've fully identified that you are referring to U.S. citizens, saying that "they" have no respect for the United States and its laws...

That's off-topic for a forum about illegal immigration...
The topic is "Illegal Immigrants Find Route to Citizenship Full of Barriers." He commented that "they" (illegal aliens) have no respect for our laws, and if granted citizenship will sponsor their families. I wholeheartedly agree. Please explain how that was "directed at a specific ethnicity" or is "off-topic."

As for belittling their marriages, I think we have seen enough evidence of sham marriages to suspect fraud in many instances. Also, If you have ever visited their DAP forum you would know that many have plans to marry a citizen for the sole purpose of eventually getting citizenship, or in hopes of improving their chances of remaining in this country despite their illegal status.

Given Obama's pledge not to separate their families, naturally many illegals will enter into marriage to remain here, just as many give birth for the same purpose. Can you honestly think of anything illegals won't do to continue their taxpayer-funded gravy train? I certainly can't. In my opinion, anyone stupid enough to marry an illegal alien deserves to be duped. As malamute stated, 5 years is not a long time.
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:28 AM
 
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But let's be clear, you aren't referring to illegal aliens. The naturalization requirements we are talking about are for Legal Permanent Residents. Family sponsorship can only be done by U.S. citizens and Legal Permanent Residents.



False. Where is your sources from official sites (if it is possible, USCIS would have a process, find it for us) for ANY of this garbage you are attempting to feed us? Your comments have always been directed at a specific ethnicity, not differentiating if they are even U.S. citizens or Legal Permanent Residents, and belittling their marriages:



You've fully identified that you are referring to U.S. citizens, saying that "they" have no respect for the United States and its laws...

That's off-topic for a forum about illegal immigration...
Wrong -- illegals are being given the easy path to USA citizenship and demanding much more of it --- that's what Obama's "Immigration Reform" is all about -- the rewarding of illegals with a fast path to citizenship.

Get here illegally and marry a USA citizen -- it can be a pretty quick way to US citizenship -- and sure the former illegal may now by a USA citizen but obviously did not respect the laws or they wouldn't have been living here illegally.

As far as my sources, I have some you don't have. A neighbor 23 years of age is here illegally, was picked for being involved in smuggling illegals over the border, was only detained 2 weeks and released. Not only that, his lawyer is telling him he's going to be rewarded with a work visa. That's how easy it is now -- so much for that work visa being given only to non-criminals.
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Wrong -- illegals are being given the easy path to USA citizenship and demanding much more of it --- that's what Obama's "Immigration Reform" is all about -- the rewarding of illegals with a fast path to citizenship.

Get here illegally and marry a USA citizen -- it can be a pretty quick way to US citizenship -- and sure the former illegal may now by a USA citizen but obviously did not respect the laws or they wouldn't have been living here illegally.

As far as my sources, I have some you don't have. A neighbor 23 years of age is here illegally, was picked for being involved in smuggling illegals over the border, was only detained 2 weeks and released. Not only that, his lawyer is telling him he's going to be rewarded with a work visa. That's how easy it is now -- so much for that work visa being given only to non-criminals.
Note that there isn't an actual "work visa" as you describe, you are inventing your own categories like the "shopping visa" stories you had before...

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...There are those "visa-overstayers" who know full well they are here illegally and a very large number of them are getting their papers allowing them to stay and get their US citizenship. There is no reason at all to go through the legal immigration process properly any more -- it actually works out much better to just get a border crossing card, break every term of it, live here illegally, work here illegally and demand your "immigration reform" so you can be given legal status...
You missed where I asked you to source the process in USCIS documentation. We've heard all of your ridiculous claims before, we don't need to hear any more stories. Let's see some indisputable reference that we are indeed in your bizarro world. It's put up or shut up time.

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...Those who respect our laws are being put to the back of the line while the illegals are being moved to the very front.
But you were saying that many of those newly naturalized U.S. citizens had "zero respect" for the United States and its laws before...
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:32 AM
 
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Note that there isn't an actual "work visa" as you describe, you are inventing your own categories like the "shopping visa" stories you had before...



You missed where I asked you to source the process in USCIS documentation. We've heard all of your ridiculous claims before, we don't need to hear any more stories. Let's see some indisputable reference that we are indeed in your bizarro world. It's put up or shut up time.



But you were saying that many of those newly naturalized U.S. citizens had "zero respect" for the United States and its laws before...
Where have you been? Obama has just promised work visas -- by EO no less. This does not give these people legal status actually but permission to take jobs in this country. Yes there are work visas.

And as far as those shopping visas or border crossing cards, those aren't work visas but a whole lot of people are living here after crossing over with them and taking jobs.
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Where have you been? Obama has just promised work visas -- by EO no less. This does not give these people legal status actually but permission to take jobs in this country. Yes there are work visas.

And as far as those shopping visas or border crossing cards, those aren't work visas but a whole lot of people are living here after crossing over with them and taking jobs.
Are you sure DACA was by Executive Order? "LiquidReigns" might be able to correct you. I stand by my comment - the I-765 is for "work-authorization" (DACA applicants are required to petition for an I-765 if they want to work), and is not a visa category in itself to come to or stay in the United States for employment.

Remember, this is not the time for inventing terminology, but being able to source your statements...
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Old 11-04-2012, 02:01 PM
 
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Are you sure DACA was by Executive Order? "LiquidReigns" might be able to correct you. I stand by my comment - the I-765 is for "work-authorization" (DACA applicants are required to petition for an I-765 if they want to work), and is not a visa category in itself to come to or stay in the United States for employment.

Remember, this is not the time for inventing terminology, but being able to source your statements...
Really what difference does it make? Obama implemented DACA without the approval of congress. Illegal immigrants shouldn't be able to petition for anything and they shouldn't get any work authorizations especially with 23 million unemployed Americans.
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