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Old 10-24-2012, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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This is where you are wrong. The whole term "hispanic" is bizarre because it includes long-time patriotic good Americans with those who just came over the border...
Yeah, you misread that I am using the term "Hispanic" that way...
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Old 10-25-2012, 06:55 AM
 
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One solution is to allow the men to come and go back across the border so they leave their families back home.

The women would be less likely to make the trip. Kids stay in Mexico. Win / win. We get cheap labor. They make a buck.

Oh, and end the birthright citizenship nonsense.

And dungeons. We need a few dungeons.
Allow the men to come and go back across the border for what? We have 23 million Americans out of work. Just what jobs do we have for them that Americans won't do? If you are referring to agricultural jobs there are visas in place for those already.

Cheap labor is part of the problem right now. What incentive do these greedy employers have to hire American workers if we allow cheap labor to flood our borders?

I agree with ending birthright citizenship unless at least one parent is a citizen of this country. Dungeons, no. That is archaic and inhumane. If you are here illegally you need to be expedited back home rather than allowed to languish here in detainment at the taxpayer's expense.
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Old 10-25-2012, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Allow the men to come and go back across the border for what? We have 23 million Americans out of work. Just what jobs do we have for them that Americans won't do? If you are referring to agricultural jobs there are visas in place for those already.

Cheap labor is part of the problem right now. What incentive do these greedy employers have to hire American workers if we allow cheap labor to flood our borders?

I agree with ending birthright citizenship unless at least one parent is a citizen of this country. Dungeons, no. That is archaic and inhumane. If you are here illegally you need to be expedited back home rather than allowed to languish here in detainment at the taxpayer's expense.
I should have made that clearer - the dungeons are for the heads of the companies who break the law...

I have been assured by my liberal friends that illegals are only performing work that Americans won't do. When Americans are ready to take the jobs back, we restrict the number of guest workers. That's when those dungeons will come in handy.
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Old 10-25-2012, 08:45 AM
 
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I should have made that clearer - the dungeons are for the heads of the companies who break the law...

I have been assured by my liberal friends that illegals are only performing work that Americans won't do. When Americans are ready to take the jobs back, we restrict the number of guest workers. That's when those dungeons will come in handy.
Ok, sorry I misunderstood you. Your liberal friends are wrong and I hope that you have told them so. There are no jobs that our adult or young Americans won't do for a fair wage. Even though working in the fields would probably be restricted to our American rural youth but even then where there is a shortage of agricultural workers we have unlimited visas for them.

How can we take jobs back from employers who prefer the cheap, illegal labor? The only way we can do that is through e-verify with severe punishment for the employers who try to cheat the system. We need to remove all incentives for illegal immigrants to remain here or to continue to come here. The job magnet is only one of those incentives.
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Old 10-25-2012, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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This is where you are wrong. The whole term "hispanic" is bizarre because it includes long-time patriotic good Americans with those who just came over the border.

If you were to break the group into more natural subgroups -- long-time Americans, with family roots before the 1950's, I'm pretty sure there would be no difference between them and other Americans - no extra costs to educate their kids, no cultural difficulties.

The next group would be more recent arrivals, from 1950s to mid 1980s and you would begin to see problems. And the very recent arrivals who arrived since the mid 1980s could be broken down into 3 groups - legally immigrated on work visas, legally immigrated through family chain migration, and the illegals. Each subgroup would certainly show differences in ability...
You forgot that I have a daily example of the lack of difference in the two bolded groups above. I have a "Hispanic" family that has been Legal Permanent Residents less than five years ("very recent arrivals"). They have no discernible difference to the Hispanics of my community with families here for multiple generations over centuries.

The sweeping generalizations to say "patriotic" and "good" in comparison to "gang members" and "taxpayer expense" are notable in this topic when the people have been defined as "Hispanic". We have posts on the topic showing those references to entire nationalities:

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How about we keep them out of the Country to begin with. That way we avoid the DREAM act and anchor issue altogether. Are Mexico and Guatemala THAT bad? Is it that big a death sentence. Are all Mexicans and Guatemalans bad people and illiterate?

I think not.
Many of you need to re-read the OP article, because you have missed its point entirely...
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Old 10-25-2012, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And some people say speaking spanish will enhance the US and make us stronger, when in reality its just going to slow everything down and make everything so much harder.
Many of these Hispanic kids come from poor families. They are not even speaking proper Spanish.
A Spanish teacher told me they have it even harder learning proper Spanish because they were raised learning and speaking slang.
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So in that case all education is bad, since it is true, we the taxpayers pay for public education that the majority of children use.

You would rather there be no publicly funded education and the U.S. would sink in education attainment to maybe the level of Haiti?

The U.S. already ranks 25th in student Math skills out of 31 countries. You want it to go lower?
We do fund it and property taxes are sky high in some areas.
But there are other areas of education that mandate the money, like ESL, bilingual, Special Ed.
When the budgets are cut, these programs are not so the cuts happen in the core programs.
It's sounds odd, but that is reality.
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:23 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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You forgot that I have a daily example of the lack of difference in the two bolded groups above. I have a "Hispanic" family that has been Legal Permanent Residents less than five years ("very recent arrivals"). They have no discernible difference to the Hispanics of my community with families here for multiple generations over centuries.

The sweeping generalizations to say "patriotic" and "good" in comparison to "gang members" and "taxpayer expense" are notable in this topic when the people have been defined as "Hispanic". We have posts on the topic showing those references to entire nationalities:



Many of you need to re-read the OP article, because you have missed its point entirely...
Yes, because this phenom is seen all over the States right? It started as some sort of single cell division (only in Texas, AZ and CA) that created Hispanics at a rapid rate as the cells mutated. It didn't come from illegal immigration, got it. It has everything to do with legal and illegal immigration but the people that immigrated legally aren't the problem.
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:39 AM
 
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You forgot that I have a daily example of the lack of difference in the two bolded groups above. I have a "Hispanic" family that has been Legal Permanent Residents less than five years ("very recent arrivals"). They have no discernible difference to the Hispanics of my community with families here for multiple generations over centuries.

The sweeping generalizations to say "patriotic" and "good" in comparison to "gang members" and "taxpayer expense" are notable in this topic when the people have been defined as "Hispanic". We have posts on the topic showing those references to entire nationalities:



Many of you need to re-read the OP article, because you have missed its point entirely...
I read the entire article and questions came to mind. Who are these Hispanics that are living in poverty and yet are citizens or legal immigrants? Are we importing poverty through legal immigration? I hope not. Could be in "some or many" cases where family reunification is involved. I tend to think that is a part of it and so is illegal immigration. The stats state that Hispanic immigrants are here overwhelming in the largest numbers both legally and illegally. That would certainly explain their high growth rate, wouldn't it?
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:53 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I read the entire article and questions came to mind. Who are these Hispanics that are living in poverty and yet are citizens or legal immigrants? Are we importing poverty through legal immigration? I hope not. Could be in "some or many" cases where family reunification is involved. I tend to think that is a part of it and so is illegal immigration. The stats state that Hispanic immigrants are here overwhelming in the largest numbers both legally and illegally. That would certainly explain their high growth rate, wouldn't it?
That answer is a resounding no. Legal immigrants have never been "the" problem. It's always been illegal aliens that have caused all of the issues.
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