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Old 11-07-2012, 05:41 PM
 
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Democrats face a major problem there. I mean who on earth does Obama hand the torch to in 2016? Its not like there is anyone close in the Democratic party that can match Obama's charisma and political skills. Hillary most likely will not run but even if she does she will be looked upon by many as someone who's time has already passed. Julian Castro is not even ready to be a VP on a ticket in 2016 let alone run for the presidency outright.

I just don't see anyone on the horizon for the Dems in 2016.
Perhaps. I mean, i'm not ready to prognosticate that far out. Hell, i thought Obama was gonna lose this election for the last few years, so i don't know.

But of course, someone will emerge. Remember that Obama appeared out of thin air.
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:45 PM
 
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Republicans have no choice but to go with some kind of immigration reform. If they stonewall they will lose the few hispanic votes they do have. The president will introduce immigration reform and if the pubs say now they will be crucified over it. They need to gain hispanic votes not lose them. Any hint of fight back will doom them for 2016.
What sank Romney IMHO was him being Mormon and being "too" far right wing on other things IMHO. Not the Repubs wanting to cut off any amnesty for illegal aliens.

You gotta remember that 1 Hispanic in 3 did NOT vote for Obama. Hispanics ain't in the pocket of the Dems like most Black people.
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:49 PM
 
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We should open up our borders. Mexicans are a proud and noble people and this was their country at one time. I welcome them in this country and value them over clueless Conservatives.

The President will continue his fine work resuscitating the country from the Dubya Dark Ages. He still may face obstruction from the ignorant Republican House members, but if he grants amnesty, GOOD.

It would be a move that is counter to what Republicans want, WHICH MEANS IT IS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY.
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:59 PM
 
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We should open up our borders. Mexicans are a proud and noble people and this was their country at one time. I welcome them in this country and value them over clueless Conservatives.

The President will continue his fine work resuscitating the country from the Dubya Dark Ages. He still may face obstruction from the ignorant Republican House members, but if he grants amnesty, GOOD.

It would be a move that is counter to what Republicans want, WHICH MEANS IT IS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY.
You better check with Texas 1st; they gave Mexico the boot in 1836 and, while you're at it, Guatemala also threw out Mexico in 1830. IMHO we did mess up: the US should've taken ALL of Mexico in 1848.

Not much noble about Mexico: it's a messed up country where the rich Mexicans don't like "brown" people.
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:19 PM
 
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Republicans have no choice but to go with some kind of immigration reform. If they stonewall they will lose the few hispanic votes they do have. The president will introduce immigration reform and if the pubs say now they will be crucified over it. They need to gain hispanic votes not lose them. Any hint of fight back will doom them for 2016.
Why do Hispanics think that our poltiicians should snub their noses at our immigration laws and reward those for violating them? Aren't we all Americans who should honor our laws? It isn't reform that they seek but outright amnesty.
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:21 PM
 
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What sank Romney IMHO was him being Mormon and being "too" far right wing on other things IMHO. Not the Repubs wanting to cut off any amnesty for illegal aliens.

You gotta remember that 1 Hispanic in 3 did NOT vote for Obama. Hispanics ain't in the pocket of the Dems like most Black people.
Really? I may be wrong but I thought I heard that Obama got 70% of the Hispanic vote yesterday.
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:25 PM
 
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What sank Romney IMHO was him being Mormon and being "too" far right wing on other things IMHO. Not the Repubs wanting to cut off any amnesty for illegal aliens.

You gotta remember that 1 Hispanic in 3 did NOT vote for Obama. Hispanics ain't in the pocket of the Dems like most Black people.
Just looking at some of the numbers and the fact Romney couldn't even get to McCain numbers suggest evangelicals stayed home to a degree probably because of his religion.
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:44 PM
 
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Really? I may be wrong but I thought I heard that Obama got 70% of the Hispanic vote yesterday.
Close: 70 percent is just over 2 out of 3.
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:53 PM
 
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We should open up our borders. Mexicans are a proud and noble people and this was their country at one time. I welcome them in this country and value them over clueless Conservatives.

The President will continue his fine work resuscitating the country from the Dubya Dark Ages. He still may face obstruction from the ignorant Republican House members, but if he grants amnesty, GOOD.

It would be a move that is counter to what Republicans want, WHICH MEANS IT IS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY.
Clueless? You might rethink your claim as what IS clueless is actually your claim. The southwest may have been claimed by Spain as a Territory, But Mexico never made it part of its nation, it was still territory under Mexico during the short stint that Mexico claimed it.

Your partisan ignorance shines through.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:36 PM
 
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Get ready folks I for one will not fight it anymore the Left has won might as well speed the decline up.
Nonsense;they coulf vee pass it when bush was president. there is widwspread oppositio to anther amnesty have the last promises in the 80's.
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