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Old 11-08-2012, 01:59 AM
 
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Illegals cannot vote. Even legal aliens (on visa, Green Card) cannot vote. For voting, one needs to be American Citizen.
<sigh> Does anyone read? That is not what this topic is about.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:57 AM
 
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Illegals are not counted in a census count.......
If they can count them, yes they are.

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Congressional Apportionment - Who's Counted - People and Households - U.S. Census Bureau

Who's Counted

The apportionment calculation is based upon the total resident population (citizens and noncitizens) of the 50 states. In the 2010 Census, the apportionment population also includes U.S. Armed Forces personnel and federal civilian employees stationed outside the United States (and their dependents living with them) that can be allocated back to a home state. These segments were also included in the apportionment population in the 1970, 1990, and 2000 censuses. The population of the District of Columbia is not included in the apportionment population
If my understanding is correct if you're breathing they want you included in the count.

There is actually three distinct issues with this:

  • The issue with electoral that has already been pointed out. While this has not been an issue in this election it could be in the future.
  • We have the House of Representative issue where state with more non citizens could potentially get more Representatives.
  • Last but not least taxes are also apportioned by population.
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:07 AM
 
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The rules are known to all sounds like sour grapes. I say a clear majority want amnesty give it to them. Elections have consequences and the American people will learn that soon.
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:27 AM
 
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Could it just be that many Americans don't like picking on children? The amnesty Obama did was for kids that were brought here illegally by adults. When the Republicans announced they would kill the Dream Act, they essentially told the nation's fastest growing population to go to hell. And they paid for it Tuesday.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:01 AM
 
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Could it just be that many Americans don't like picking on children? The amnesty Obama did was for kids that were brought here illegally by adults. When the Republicans announced they would kill the Dream Act, they essentially told the nation's fastest growing population to go to hell. And they paid for it Tuesday.
Picking on kids? They aren't kids anymore. No, it's about not rewarding their lawbreaking parents for bringing them here in the first place. So enforcing our immigration laws is telling Hispanics to go to hell? Are Hispanics above our immigration laws? Hispanics will never be Republicans anyway because they like many minorities like the socialism of the Democrats. Bush proposed an amnesty and he still didn't get the majority of the Hispanic vote.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:03 AM
 
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The rules are known to all sounds like sour grapes. I say a clear majority want amnesty give it to them. Elections have consequences and the American people will learn that soon.
I am surprised at your defeatist attitude all of a sudden. So we should allow Hispanics to blackmail our nation and politicians in giving their illegal amigos amnesty yet again?
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:07 AM
 
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Illegals are not counted in a census count a census for each state determines what the electoral number for each state & illegals can not vote either. Sounds like a few republican nut jobs are still hanging around trying to find out why Obama was elected get over it Obama wone with both the popular vote and electoral college
Illegals are indeed counted on our census. Those states with a high concentration of illegals do indeed get more electoral votes because of that. This isn't about getting over Obama winning the election but making sure that electoral votes are only based on citizen numbers. As for the popular vote it was nearly split between Obama and Romney.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:15 AM
 
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Oh, but in RWR (Right-Wing World), they can, they do, and they're taking over the country with their anchor babies!
No, in the real world "some" of them do vote. Hispanics are the fastest growing minority in this country. How do you think they are achieving that? Remain in denial along with sarcasm if you wish but you know the truth and won't admit it.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:21 AM
 
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I don't think that Obama had any choice in the matter and Romney would have soon realized the impossibility of the task had he been elected. An estimated 12 million illegals. That's a lot of people who flat-out don't want to be found. Can you imagine the cost of even trying to deport all of them??

You don't solve that problem by trying to deport them, you really have no choice but to accommodate them in some fashion.

Somebody needs to toss our system of quotas in the garbage because that's more than half of the problem. You can't just tell somebody who's starving that he can't jump over a fence and into a place where he can make a better life for himself. You can't tell people with starving families to just keep out. They will find a way into the USA, like it or not. Build the biggest wall in the history of the world, they'll still find a way in.

Obama hasn't really offered a real solution to the entire problem either, but he's chopped at the branches of it some.
Nonsense! You don't accomate them you remove all the incentives for them to come here and remain here like jobs, benefits and birthright citizenship. One must never reward lawbreakers for their actions. We have 23 million Americans out of work. We need the jobs they are holding.

You've got to be kidding about removing our quotas. We should accomodate every so-called starvng person in the world no matter how it negatively impacts our own citizens and whether or not we have jobs and resources for them? WTH? Most Mexicans in Mexico aren't starving either. You have bought into the pro-illegal propaganda. How about staying in their own countries and fixing them? We cannot be the flop house for the world's poor. We have our own poor to care for. You bleeding heart liberals will be the death of this country.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:57 AM
 
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I am surprised at your defeatist attitude all of a sudden. So we should allow Hispanics to blackmail our nation and politicians in giving their illegal amigos amnesty yet again?
Old Glory what do you want us to do? We've tried educating people on the merits of free market capitalism and we have a core group of people who either don't agree or don't care enough to defend our way of life.

I do agree with you though amnesty certainly doesn't mean Hispanics will vote for us look at California? They just voted a massive tax increase through. Most likely amnesty will just hasten our decline but that's what the people want evidently.

I'm set, my job won't be taken by an illegal, I guess my income and other forms of my labor will at some point be confiscated by the state I'll just have to cross that bridge when it comes

A majority of Americans polled last night said they support a pathway to citizenship. I've done my part. I was a faithful Dem voter up to 2007 when Bush tried his amnesty. I was one of the people who shut down the Congressional switchboard over the issue. I began to listen to the other side as a result and found that I actually agreed with much of the GOP platform.

We live in a democracy, elections have consequences and while I personally don't believe Romney lost because of Hispanics. That's the message the GOP has taken from his defeat. So those Republicans who stayed home on Tuesday for whatever reason, those working class voters who despised Romney's wealth are about to enjoy some dividends from hope & change.
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