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Old 10-14-2007, 01:05 AM
 
Location: California
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Technically, it is a piece of cloth. Its what that piece of cloth represents that matters

 
Old 10-14-2007, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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i never said the immigrants had to be indiginous themselves. almost no one is indiginous to where they currently are living. even native americans are most likely not native to this soil. which is why this entire illegal thing is ridiculous to me.

throughout or history there has always been 'illegal' immigrants including our founding fathers.

either way, it is impossible to secure borders. even walls won't stop anything.
Let me put it this way: we as Americans will continue trying till we succeed.
 
Old 11-14-2007, 05:54 PM
 
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Let me put it this way: we as Americans will continue trying till we succeed.
Yay! We will continue to waste time and energy just to fail again and again. How exciting.
 
Old 11-14-2007, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Yay! We will continue to waste time and energy just to fail again and again. How exciting.
Yea thats a positive outlook. Let me guess you are giving up and voting for Hillary because "she will win anyway" right?
 
Old 11-14-2007, 06:03 PM
 
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Yea thats a positive outlook. Let me guess you are giving up and voting for Hillary because "she will win anyway" right?
I am not looking to be positive, im looking to be objective. Why be positive in a situation that deserves no such thing.

No, if the choices are restricted to those who are running at this current time, i will not be voting in the presidential election. I don't believe in voting for the best option. They all suck and my vote is a 'no' vote. I will vote in the presidential election as soon as a viable candidate runs. I probably won't be involved for a little while This all coming from a degree holder in polisci. It's actually very saddening.
 
Old 11-14-2007, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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I am not looking to be positive, im looking to be objective. Why be positive in a situation that deserves no such thing.

No, if the choices are restricted to those who are running at this current time, i will not be voting in the presidential election. I don't believe in voting for the best option. They all suck and my vote is a 'no' vote. I will vote in the presidential election as soon as a viable candidate runs. I probably won't be involved for a little while This all coming from a degree holder in polisci. It's actually very saddening.
It is very sad, I feel the same way. I am praying for Ron paul, but it seems Americans are swayed by the media and BS ,oh and the best one yet "looking Presidential"!
 
Old 11-14-2007, 06:15 PM
 
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It is very sad, I feel the same way. I am praying for Ron paul, but it seems Americans are swayed by the media and BS ,oh and the best one yet "looking Presidential"!
he is an intriguing candidate. any chance he wins the republican nomination? not only is he the only republican i would vote for, he may be the only candidate all together, but i dismissed him as a possibility a while ago.

wow, i didn't realize he grew up in green tree, pa. that is about 3 minutes from where i am currently living. might be the lone positive thing i have found in the pittsburgh area
 
Old 11-14-2007, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Take the Ron Paul stuff to 2008 election forum.

Way off topic.

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