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Old 10-13-2007, 06:35 PM
 
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Remember, walls dont work! and our jails are already overcrowded. let's hear a real solution, and elaborate on WHY it would work.

 
Old 10-13-2007, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Heavily fine employers.
 
Old 10-13-2007, 06:53 PM
 
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Of course walls work. It's been proven that wherever the new walls go up the flow of illegal aliens slow to a trickle. The only point is we need to install one across the entire southern border.

But seriously, we have been invaded. Day by day, week by week and we're being robbed of our borders, language and culture. Illegal aliens have done more to harm this great country than terrorist organizations like al queda have.

For all intents and purposes, Mexico has committed an act of war, and we need to defend this country appropriately. Put up a fence, put the guard and reserve on the border, search every vehicle, and jail any employer who undermines this nation by hiring illegals needs to go to jail.

But we need to be fail about it. Post notice that in so many days all illegals will be rounded up and their assets seized. Have the new SCOTUS properly interpret the 14TH amendment to the constitution to how it was originally intended, then start the roundup. Put any still here in a tent city jail along the southern border. It's plenty cheap to run one of them.

Anything else won't work. Rewarding criminals for criminal behavior will only encourage more to come. Granting amnesty only encourages more to come and steal even more American jobs. Not putting them in a tent city type jail for an extended period of time only rewards those who have harmed this nation, it's people and culture.
 
Old 10-13-2007, 06:53 PM
 
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Heavily fine employers.
that will just cause employers to go under the table with their hiring. they already employ illegal immigrants... why wouldn't they employ them even more discreetly?

bonus: having under the table works denies citizens the ss payments and tax contributions that come with the "fake documents - real paycheck" system in place.
 
Old 10-13-2007, 06:58 PM
 
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that will just cause employers to go under the table with their hiring. they already employ illegal immigrants... why wouldn't they employ them even more discreetly?

bonus: having under the table works denies citizens the ss payments and tax contributions that come with the "fake documents - real paycheck" system in place.

Almost any type of criminal activity can be profitable. But it's still wrong and we need to enforce the law. Employers need to know they will lose their business and freedom if they profiteer off of the labor of illegal aliens. The only way to stop employers from profiting off of the labor of illegals is to ensure they will spend a great deal of time in a tent city type jail.
 
Old 10-13-2007, 06:58 PM
 
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This under the table hiring gets folks into all kinds of tax trouble, and enforcing the laws can make life too uncomfortable for those who try. You simply have to alter the risk/reward view of hiring folks who are not legal citizens.

Walls appear to be marginal solutions to me. Gonna wall out Canada? How about the oceans?
 
Old 10-13-2007, 07:03 PM
 
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Almost any type of criminal activity can be profitable. But it's still wrong and we need to enforce the law. Employers need to know they will lose their business and freedom if they profiteer off of the labor of illegal aliens. The only way to stop employers from profiting off of the labor of illegals is to ensure they will spend a great deal of time in a tent city type jail.
i agree completely. but unfortunately, the costs of paying a citizen-level wage vs. that of an illegal immigrant are going to be drastic enough to encourage employers to take the risk, at the expense of their own business. the problem lies in the economic split between mexico and america. if canada's dollar was worth 20 american dollars, you would see a lot of illegal immigration from america into canada.

my question still stands: how do you fix the illegal immigration problem?
 
Old 10-13-2007, 07:04 PM
 
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Deport as many as we can find, and station armed Military units all along the border, with authority to use deadly force if need be. Walls are an ineffective solution; fear is not.

I saw an expose' on 20/20 or some news show where they hired 6 illegals to build a wall 20wx20h which I think they said is the exact specs of the proposed new walls complete with barbed wire. They then split the 6 men into 3 teams of 2. One team was to go OVER the wall, another UNDER the wall, and the third THROUGH the wall. All 3 teams were on the other side of the wall in less than 3-5 minutes.
 
Old 10-13-2007, 07:06 PM
 
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This under the table hiring gets folks into all kinds of tax trouble, and enforcing the laws can make life too uncomfortable for those who try. You simply have to alter the risk/reward view of hiring folks who are not legal citizens.

Walls appear to be marginal solutions to me. Gonna wall out Canada? How about the oceans?
i agree. we have to alter the risk/reward. but the risk is minute compared to the rewards. a huge fine could be equivalent to the amount of money they save in a month by having an immigrant workforce. and if you fine an employer and it puts them out of business, how is that productive?
 
Old 10-13-2007, 07:06 PM
 
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This under the table hiring gets folks into all kinds of tax trouble, and enforcing the laws can make life too uncomfortable for those who try. You simply have to alter the risk/reward view of hiring folks who are not legal citizens.

Walls appear to be marginal solutions to me. Gonna wall out Canada? How about the oceans?
Thus far relatively few illegals come across the US-Canadian border.

As the oceans; suffice to say it would be more treacherous to come across open water------our Coast Guard can patrol about 200-300 miles away along the coasts from where the USA and Mexico meet @ the Pacific and Gulf of Mexico.

If you have any better ideas------fire away.
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