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Another thing about those bilingual jobs....there IS a hint of racism in them.
Take 2 bilingual people: One who was born in Mexico,became a legal citizen,and speaks both.
The other is an American born black or white person who became fluent in Spanish.
Why is it that everytime person #1 gets the job,considering everything else is equal?
That's called the mother tongue, nothing to do with race IMO.
Example: Say you hire for the German owned SAP, Deutsche Bank, or Siemens company operating in the US and you want someone that speaks German, speaking to people in Germany.
Another thing about those bilingual jobs....there IS a hint of racism in them.
Take 2 bilingual people: One who was born in Mexico,became a legal citizen,and speaks both.
The other is an American born black or white person who became fluent in Spanish.
Why is it that everytime person #1 gets the job,considering everything else is equal?
I'm a native English/non-native Spanish speaker yet I've been hired for bilingual jobs.
In the case you stated it's much more likely that the immigrant's English is better than the US-born's Spanish, making them better qualified for the job.
You're right there were no Spanish speakers before the illegal alien invasion...none in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico or California...Florida....none! 0 Spanish jobs before that...
I'm jumping out of the Illegal Immigration vortex! cya
I assume you're being sarcastic, but Spanish wasn't a reqirement for a retail job in the US until the illegal alien invasion. Many places in CA, restaurants, stores, and other places that serve the public, require their workers to speak Spanish. No Spanish-no job. Officers in one police department in Southern California were told to learn to speak Spanish, or look for another job. I heard, although can't confirm, the same thing happened with a school district in Texas. This is simply to accomodate illegal aliens. The legal immigrants and residents who wish to become contributing participants, and citizens of this country, learn to speak English.They're willing to give back, rather than just take.
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Originally Posted by SophieLL
I dont understand what you are complaining about: in BA you need to know at least some basic english to get most jobs and no one complains about this!! Knowing another language is good for everything: it helps learning other culture, it wides the amount of knowledge you can get about everything and its simply just better for your brain and your everyday life.
So what is the problem in speaking another language in your own country? I speak and work in english and am proud of it, why would the OP not want to speak another language??
oh wait?? maybe this is another patriotic thing americans do and most people cant understand??
that would explain it.
Sure, knowing more than one language is fine, and can be beneficial, but why should someone be forced to learn Spanish? Maybe they'd rather learn French, German, or Chinese. No one should be forced to learn a particular language. That goes for Spanish speakers too. If they choose not to learn English, and can't make in this country because of that, let them return home. We've had Spanish thrust upon us simply because of the illegal alien invasion. They're the only ones who expect the rest of the country to cater to them.
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Originally Posted by Mach50
That's called the mother tongue, nothing to do with race IMO.
Example: Say you hire for the German owned SAP, Deutsche Bank, or Siemens company operating in the US and you want someone that speaks German, speaking to people in Germany.
Do you hire the American who learned German? Or hire the German (Regardless of race) who moved to US?
I hire whoever is more qualified for the job. It may come down to experience, or personality. Actually, it makes little difference to me unless I see signs popping up in German, am prompted to 'press 1 for German,' and it becomes a requirement for many jobs performed in this country, with no connection to Germany.
Last edited by Yac; 12-17-2012 at 02:13 AM..
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I want to make sure we are talking about growth here, not births. It's true Hispanics have been more than half of the growth of the United States in the last decade, and have increased their population by 43% in the last decade:
The reason that you describe Hispanics in more areas now can also be explained:
Whatever the source, the Hispanic population is going to continue to grow:
So do we just keep complaining as they and Spanish usage grows (there is another thread in P&OC about this same topic)? What needs to be done? Put them back somewhere?
There is no use in denying that much of the Hispanic growth is due to illegal immigration and more legal immigration from that group than any others compounded with the births from both of those groups. The solution is to enforce our immigration laws which includes deporting illegal immigrants whether it be voluntary or involuntary and to diversify our legal immigration numbers. Then that Hispanic growth rate will slow down rather than continue to grow.
From what I understand now the Asian growth rate is starting to catch up. Again, what happened to diversity so that we can retain our national identity, culture and language?
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Originally Posted by Mach50
That's called the mother tongue, nothing to do with race IMO.
Example: Say you hire for the German owned SAP, Deutsche Bank, or Siemens company operating in the US and you want someone that speaks German, speaking to people in Germany.
Do you hire the American who learned German? Or hire the German (Regardless of race) who moved to US?
But how many jobs that require you to be bi-lingual are of that nature? Hardly any! The jobs we are talking about are those where you aren't dealing with people in a foreign country but with the people here in our own country. It is mostly only Spanish that is being required to get those jobs when most Hispanic-Americans know how to speak English. Figure out why that is. It isn't that hard. Many legal immigrants come here not knowing any English or have limited English skills but they are from many different ethnic groups. Should Americans be required to learn all of their languages to accomodate them or they will be discriminated against in hiring practices?
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Originally Posted by SophieLL
I dont understand what you are complaining about: in BA you need to know at least some basic english to get most jobs and no one complains about this!! Knowing another language is good for everything: it helps learning other culture, it wides the amount of knowledge you can get about everything and its simply just better for your brain and your everyday life.
So what is the problem in speaking another language in your own country? I speak and work in english and am proud of it, why would the OP not want to speak another language??
oh wait?? maybe this is another patriotic thing americans do and most people cant understand??
that would explain it.
You can't learn about another culture unless you learn their language? I don't think so! Learning another language should be a choice instead of having to learn it to get a job in your own country. I can think of a lot of other things that make more sense to improve your job opportunities than wasting your time learning another language to cater to those here illegally.
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Originally Posted by Mach50
You're right there were no Spanish speakers before the illegal alien invasion...none in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico or California...Florida....none! 0 Spanish jobs before that...
I'm jumping out of the Illegal Immigration vortex! cya
Yet the native Americans (as the story goes) were here first so why not demand that everyone including Spanish speakers learn to speak some native American language? It is as irrelevant as your statement above. We became an English speaking country so just deal with it.
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Originally Posted by IBMMuseum
Between Spanish and English, Spanish is actually easier to learn: Words sound exactly like they are spelled, there are not variations with how a letter sounds. It's consistent.
You missed the point. Our national de facto langauge is English. Becoming proficient in that language should be a priority regardless of whether or not it is harder to learn. There is no reason that our students should be forced to learn Spanish. Later in life if they want to take it as an electorate then that's fine but our young students should not be required to learn Spanish. The focus should be on the three R's, our history, geography, etc.
Last edited by Yac; 12-17-2012 at 02:20 AM..
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There is no use in denying that much of the Hispanic growth is due to illegal immigration and more legal immigration from that group than any others compounded with the births from both of those groups. The solution is to enforce our immigration laws which includes deporting illegal immigrants whether it be voluntary or involuntary and to diversify our legal immigration numbers. Then that Hispanic growth rate will slow down rather than continue to grow.
From what I understand now the Asian growth rate is starting to catch up. Again, what happened to diversity so that we can retain our national identity, culture and language?
So why does the Hispanic growth rate need to slow down? It's a national identity that you are imposing, saying that Hispanics cannot be part of that if they grow too quickly. This seems to suggest that someone hears a little Spanish, and the "Americans" can't handle it.
So why does the Hispanic growth rate need to slow down? It's a national identity that you are imposing, saying that Hispanics cannot be part of that if they grow too quickly. This seems to suggest that someone hears a little Spanish, and the "Americans" can't handle it.
I have said because we need to diversify more. How many times do I have to say it? A "little" Spanish? Please, where I live I rarely hear a Spanish speaker speaking English in public and I am sure it is representive of most areas in the southwest and spreading throughout this country.
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