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Old 10-18-2007, 04:12 PM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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Right now it is not, but think about how people lived in the middle ages and how much things have changed since then, just think that 50 years ago people never imagined that advances such as the internet would change our lives forever, maybe it'll be possible in 50, 100, 300 years?

Imagine people from 300 years in the future reading history books something like this:

XX and early XXI century inhabitants of the world used an ancient technology called internal combustion to feed their vehicles and transport themselves around their cities, free access between citizens from one country and other were restricted mainly due to differences in country's incomes, cultures, customs and laws, it wasn't until globalization was very advanced that a project known as the intergalatic network was started, it was a huge database supported by an advanced quantum computing system which was constantly updated by the people themselves as they kept learning new skills which could be in demand somewhere else in the world.

we still have to evolve a loooong way to be ready for such a concept, how fast we'll get there? as fast as we want to go imho

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Old 10-18-2007, 04:37 PM
 
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A wonderful dream, but It cannot possibly happen until one of two things occurs---(1) The human race becomes so affluent and secure that no one, anywhere, has the need to "take" anything from anyone wealthier---because there's no great hunger or need anymore....OR
(2) After some unimaginable world-wide catastrophe, the human race has been so devastated that no one has the means or the energy to "protect" anything, because there's nothing left in life beyond simple day-to-day survival. No one will think of stopping anyone, they'll be concerned only with their immediate family, and that will be their "territory".
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:38 PM
 
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Most people, I think, don't want the free flow of people. We are not one, big unified world culture, and will never be one, at least in the next couple lifetimes. Just the way it is.
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Old 10-18-2007, 05:13 PM
 
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Wouldn't work. Different values, terrorists, etc. Looked what happened to the Roman Empire.
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Old 10-18-2007, 05:30 PM
 
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Most people, I think, don't want the free flow of people. We are not one, big unified world culture, and will never be one, at least in the next couple lifetimes. Just the way it is.
Sounds like a favorite "what-if" of mine. If you could take every single individual on earth, spread them out uniformly over the land, give them the means for survival, and insist that they forget all their past grudges, I can guarantee what would happen.

People would begin to "buddy up". Some would wander around "bullying" others, which would force otherwise-peaceful souls to unite in groups for mutual protection.

At the end of six months, you'd have problems as big as when you started. People would have segregated into cliques, clubs, and gangs. These would rival, and "clash" with each other, and very soon the human race would be back to normal---fighting and conflict. It wouldn't be anybody's particular "fault", exactly---it's just the way we're built.
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Old 10-18-2007, 05:39 PM
 
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I don't wish to live under Sharia Muslim law: I am female, do representational art for a living, and love my animals. I don't wish to live under the Mexican government's idea of social engineering: if you're not extremely wealthy, go break the laws of another country and do everything you can to rob its citizenry of monies and services that they will never get specifically because of you, and to be sure those gringos know you hate them.

There's only a few countries and political systems left that believe in equal rights, education for all, no misogyny, avoiding cruelty to animals, political representation for all, and the right to pursue happiness. Even if these political systems fall short, they at least try for these aims. I am glad I live in one of them. Our cultural differences actually are hard won takes on moral differences on enlightenment. To force me, an American, to live under under the laws of, say, Saudi Arabia or Mexico would be repulsive.
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Old 10-18-2007, 05:51 PM
 
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I don't wish to live under Sharia Muslim law: I am female, do representational art for a living, and love my animals. I don't wish to live under the Mexican government's idea of social engineering: if you're not extremely wealthy, go break the laws of another country and do everything you can to rob its citizenry of monies and services that they will never get specifically because of you, and to be sure those gringos know you hate them.

There's only a few countries and political systems left that believe in equal rights, education for all, no misogyny, avoiding cruelty to animals, political representation for all, and the right to pursue happiness. Even if these political systems fall short, they at least try for these aims. I am glad I live in one of them. Our cultural differences actually are hard won takes on moral differences on enlightenment. To force me, an American, to live under under the laws of, say, Saudi Arabia or Mexico would be repulsive.
Another "zinger" of a post. Lots of irony here, in the fact that you live in freedom, and are not willing to lose that by being TOO free. The freedom we live in must protect itself by keeping ever vigilant.

Reminds me of the current situation in Western Europe. While our new immigrants here in the US seem destined to overload our system and infrastructure, some of Europe's seem far more sinister. The Netherlands comes to mind--probably one of the world's most secular, free-and-easy, laid back cultures (remember the pot-smoking, long-haired Army recruits?), which is probably headed for a future as a police state if something isn't done very soon, all because of an angry, unassimilable group of immigrants who openly detest Dutch culture. Seems there's such a thing as being TOO nice...
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Old 10-18-2007, 06:04 PM
 
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Sounds like a favorite "what-if" of mine. If you could take every single individual on earth, spread them out uniformly over the land, give them the means for survival, and insist that they forget all their past grudges, I can guarantee what would happen.

People would begin to "buddy up". Some would wander around "bullying" others, which would force otherwise-peaceful souls to unite in groups for mutual protection.

At the end of six months, you'd have problems as big as when you started. People would have segregated into cliques, clubs, and gangs. These would rival, and "clash" with each other, and very soon the human race would be back to normal---fighting and conflict. It wouldn't be anybody's particular "fault", exactly---it's just the way we're built.
This is very true Macmeal, we as human beings have egoes who delude us and are subject to the dualities of this world, but we also have a compasionate side in our souls, even the ¨most evil¨person in the world has this part inside him / her

aren't we already in the process of the construction of a global culture and we haven't even noticed? (just think about we are doing here, we people from diferent parts of the world exchanging ideas)

wouldn't be a spiritual revolution be possible?

are we a finished product without any chance to change?

do you think societies and cultures with stay in their current state of evolution forever?

don't all world religions say God is love?

aren't we his / her children?

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Old 10-18-2007, 06:16 PM
 
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Thanks for your take, macmeal, and reminding us of the big picture with apt decriptions "sinister" and "unassimilable." I have often wondered why these bigots/zealots/haters chose to move permanently to countries so contrary to their absolutes. Members of my extended family have in fact happily worked in Saudi Arabia for limited terms of employment (and even met future spouses from other lands): they would never, however, have chosen to live there forever.

I hope all reading these forums realize the importance of American values, and those of all the other remaining countries with similar or parallel values of basic decency ( "too nice?") I still cringe to recall the loutish post of someone here who answered another post protesting the innate rudeness within Latino machismo seen too often with guys screaming obscenities at women as a matter of course: this individual wrote: "get used to it."
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Old 10-18-2007, 11:05 PM
 
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I don't think it would be desirable to have a free flow of people. It would cause too much of an infringement on other people's cultures and values. I do think at some point in the future we will eliminate almost all poverty and disease. But that won't be for many, many generations. But even if we at some point move out into space and colonize other planets people will still gravitate towards like individuals. People like to pass on their religion to their children. Many people want children and grandchildren that look like themselves and not a person of another race. While I do think we will eliminate war at some point, it will be more the result of people respecting others and not forcing themselves on to others and their cultures.
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