Fence on Mexico Border? (legal, laws, job, money) - Page 8 - City-Data Forum

Marks · 10-05-2006, 06:35 PM

I hear you, grammy164!

If we get back to the original question "Fence on Mexico Border?" I have already stated my position. It is true if we don't build a physical wall on the border at least we should built an "invisible wall" to curb illegal immigration.

After years of loyal support for the Republican Party, I changed to the Constitution Party [http://www.constitutionparty.com] (broken link) which more accurately reflects my values and position on civil affairs.

Both Republicans and Democrats will never halt immigration, nor build a full border fence because they're all "in it" together (backed by CFR, NAFTA, NAU, PPS, etc) and are all about $$ and are totally corrupted.

whitney · 10-05-2006, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gringo istmeño

I think the best focus would be on nailing the rich businesses that offer jobs to immigrants. Without the jobs, they wouldn`t sneak in- why would they?

Without jobs, they wouldn' sneak in-why would they? Surely you are kidding! I can think of mllions of reasons! ($$$$) Think free health care, schooling, a "better life" is the general answer usually given by all those who say let them in....and if you put 6-8 families in a house and one person works and pays the rent...I guess when you add in all the hand-outs it would be the answer to your question

ColdCanadian · 10-06-2006, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by whitney

Without jobs, they wouldn' sneak in-why would they? Surely you are kidding! I can think of mllions of reasons! ($$$$) Think free health care, schooling, a "better life" is the general answer usually given by all those who say let them in....and if you put 6-8 families in a house and one person works and pays the rent...I guess when you add in all the hand-outs it would be the answer to your question

Okay, how about stopping or restricting most of the government handouts to illegal immigrants. My parents have always told me that if I get hurt in the U.S., unless I bought some type of medical insurance before I left Canada that I'd be screwed somehow. Free schooling to all illegal immigrants isn't fair either. Maybe the law should state all "American" (citizen or legal resident)children under 16 shall attend school. (truancy laws) There has to be a point where the government being correct is more important than it being nice. If not it will drive away business among other things.

Nea1 · 10-06-2006, 09:39 AM

We didnt have health insurance couldnt afford it for a family of 6, company didnt offer it, my son needed emergency surgery and we have a 35000.00 dollar bill now, we make to much for assistance they say off by 4000 dollars, no help, we are american citizens so how can they recieve help and we just get a sorry we cant help you. What bull, oh well we will manage we always have.

MoMark · 10-06-2006, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdCanadian

Okay, how about stopping most of the government handouts to any illegal immigrant. My parents have always told me that if I get hurt in the U.S., unless I bought some type of medical insurance before I left Canada that I'd be screwed somehow.

Good point CC. Well, actually all you have to do is show up at any public hospital and they will take care of you. If you don't have insurance or are a foreign national, there's not much they can do, they absorb the cost and pass it on to the rest of us in the form of higher insurance rates. U.S. law forbids turning away anyone in need from a public hospital and I imagine private ones don't either. However if you're a citizen, they will pursue you for payment with full overinflated bills. When I was in emergency in May, the woman next to me had no insurance, was homeless, and they did everything they could for her although knowing she wouldn't pay (actually, she was a pain in the a$$ and if there'd been a vital electrical cord to pull out of a wall socket within my reach...I'd have been tempted to pull it! For me, I got a bill for just a hair under $20,000 for four days hospital stay which my insurance shaved $10,000 off the bill in "adjustments" (just goes to show they ***** the hell out of you if they can) then paid the bill. I paid about $75 in total of my own out-of-pocket expenses. But in some Texas hospitals, illegal aliens are 70%+ of the births, they don't pay, and the costs run into the hundreds of millions. One Texas hospital and county has sent a huge bill to Mexico City. I read this morningon MSNBC that although the fence bill was passed and signed, the Republicans in the Senate are doing a work around to prevent it being built with the cooperation of Chertoff and Bush. If I could punch this a-holes I would.

Nea1 · 10-06-2006, 09:54 AM

They dont absorb all I can tell you that, we have to make payment terms each month, has to be paid off in three years or they will sue us, we never said we wouldnt pay just wanted to see if we could take longer. Nope

ColdCanadian · 10-06-2006, 09:55 AM

With the U.S. law preventing them turning away any patient regardless of money or coverage, you all might as well have a free government health care system like Canada's. It would probablybe cheaper and easier for any family not making over 100-200k a year.

In Canada, it health care is not free to people who aren't legal residents. I could even move to the U.S. for a year and have my Canadian coverage lapse. I would have to return to somewhere in Canada and have a Canadian address for 6 months to have it returned to me.

As a kid I had imagined that private health care meant no or limited health care to those without money, just like in a store, their products for sale are only available to customers willing to pay. Given this, the U.S. health care to me sounds bi-polar.

Nea1 · 10-06-2006, 10:01 AM

We need to do something, I know alot of people say universal health care is a bad idea, but isnt it a bad idea for people to have none? And the health insurance companies charging way out amounts for simple health care? I mean decent health care for us without a huge deductable is about 600.00 a month, thats is just out of our budget. Especially now we have to pay the hospital bill.

UB50 · 10-06-2006, 10:05 AM

The way the US runs, with all the "pay as you go" plans like Medicare and Social Security, I don't think politicians are going to do anything about immigration; legal or illegal. The country needs to have a continuous flow of new people to pay for all the programs we have. Not only that, public companies need to continually increase their revenues to satisfy shareholders. Without a lot of new people in the country, many of them would not be able to do this. Between the stock market and government costs, politicians are stuck between a rock and hard place. If US taxpayers were ever asked to foot the bill for what things really cost around here, you'd see a lot of people screaming "Open the borders!"

If illegal immigration was ever halted, I could see the US government raising the caps on legal immigration so the net effect would be the same: More people all the time coming here from other places.

ColdCanadian · 10-06-2006, 10:10 AM

One of the reasons I hear health coverage is so expensive in the U.S. is for malpractice insurance and lawyers to represent the doctors. We also spend a lot on malpractice coverage, but in Canada you cannot sue for ridiculous amounts of money.

Like the lady who got $3,000,000 for spilling hot coffee on her lap in Oregon. In Canada, she probably couldn't have won more than a few hundred thousand. You probably couldn't even get 100,000 in addition to your losses for "pain and suffering." The American lawyers wouldn't like that change, but it would help the rest of America out.

BTW our lawyers are also very well paid, similar to our doctors; we just have less lawyers who live like kings. The few that do usually have their own firms.