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Old 02-06-2013, 02:22 PM
 
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For one thing the cost of immigration. It costs about $10,000 dollars to legally immigrate to the US. Thats the application fees, not counting legal costs. Thats like three years of wages in Mexico. If a Mexican has $10,000 he could buy a house and retire. He wouldn't need to immigrate to the US to work as a minimum wage janitor, dish washer, gardener, etc.

Second, there is no special quotas for Latinos. Thats just BS.
So if a Mexican can't afford the fees to come here legally then he/she should just come here illegally anyway? What you are not understanding is that we have annual quotas for legal immigration based on our needs without it negatively impacting our own citizens. Unfortuntely, there are more immigrants that want to come here than we can accomodate. We should just accomodate them anyway?

I didn't say that there were special quotas for Latinos just that they are the group here in the largest numbers legally by far (they are also the largest group here illegally). That doesn't even include the family reunification catagory either. I posted a link in here several times that backs that up so no it isn't BS. Unfortunately, that particular link is no longer available.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:06 PM
 
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For one thing the cost of immigration. It costs about $10,000 dollars to legally immigrate to the US. Thats the application fees, not counting legal costs. Thats like three years of wages in Mexico. If a Mexican has $10,000 he could buy a house and retire. He wouldn't need to immigrate to the US to work as a minimum wage janitor, dish washer, gardener, etc.

Second, there is no special quotas for Latinos. Thats just BS.
If it's so hard for Mexicans to become legal immigrants, please explain how Mexico tops the list of countries for naturalization. Also, note the glaring difference between the total for Mexico and Canada. Clearly, that's a far cry from having discriminatory policies against "brown" Mexicans.


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In 2009, the total number of persons naturalizing was 743,715 (see Table 1 and Figure 1). The leading countries of birth of new citizens were Mexico (111,630), India (52,889), the Philippines (38,934), the People’s Republic of China (37,130), and Vietnam (31,168). The largest number of persons naturalizing lived in California (179,754), New York (88,733), and Florida (82,788).
Persons Naturalized by Region and Country of Birth:
Fiscal Years 2007 to 2009
(Countries ranked by 2009 persons naturalized)

Region/country of birth Number
Total 743,715

REGION:
Africa 60,383
Asia* 276,375
Europe 90,149
North America 250,266
Caribbean 84,917
Central America 43,914
Other North America 121,435
Oceania 3,928
South America 61,674
Unknown 940

COUNTRY:
Mexico 111,630
India 52,889
Philippines 38,934
China,
People’s Republic 37,130
Vietnam 31,168
Cuba 24,891
Dominican Republic 20,778
El Salvador 18,927
Korea, South** 17,576
Colombia 16,593
Jamaica 15,098
Haiti 13,290
Pakistan 12,528
Iran 12,069
Poland 10,604
Peru 10,349
United Kingdom 10,060
Canada 9,753
Russia 9,490
Nigeria 9,298

All other countries 260,660

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...tz_fr_2009.pdf


Furthermore, Mexicans pay coyotes thousands of dollars to be smuggled into this country. If they can afford those fees, why can't they afford the fees to go through the legal process?

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The United Nations estimates that smuggling migrants across Mexico’s border with the U.S. alone is a $6.6 billion business annually, compared to an estimated the $10 billion to $29 billion in illegal drug running. The migrant smuggling estimate doesn’t include another $1 billion paid by thousands of non-Mexicans to cross from Guatemala and travel north, according to a 2010 U.N. report on transnational crime.
Smuggling of migrants into the US a $6.6 billion dollar business - Views From Baja Arizona
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:08 PM
 
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4,210 illegal immigrants were apprehended, on our Northern border in FY2012, by 2,206 BP agents
356,873 illegal immigrants were apprehended, on our Southwest border in FY2012, by 18,516 BP agents

How many made it over the border for every one that was apprehended?
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:10 AM
 
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I didn't say that there were special quotas for Latinos just that they are the group here in the largest numbers legally by far.
You said: "Latinos have the highest number of quotas for legal immigration into our country"
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:23 AM
 
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Furthermore, Mexicans pay coyotes thousands of dollars to be smuggled into this country. If they can afford those fees, why can't they afford the fees to go through the legal process?


Smuggling of migrants into the US a $6.6 billion dollar business - Views From Baja Arizona
"The amount paid per migrant has varied substantially over time, but is currently in the neighbourhood of US$2,000."

The cost of immigration fees is considerably more.

US immigration fees set to rise - Telegraph
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:27 AM
 
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You said: "Latinos have the highest number of quotas for legal immigration into our country"
Essentially yes -- because the easiest way to come here is to have or to claim to have some relative living here. That's the whole purpose in coming here to give birth -- by the millions. Most Mexicans don't give birth in Mexico any more which is why Mexico's birth rate has declined, birth tourism gets them the convenient US birth certificate and then they can choose to remain in the USA or return home -- with the US birth certificate in hand.

Once someone gives birth here, they are allowed to stay and not only stay but get food stamps and government housing and many other government handouts. If they chose to return home, they can come backk any time, and in just 18 years the anchor baby can sponsor the parents and any siblings.

As strange as it sounds, the family sponsors are not really obligated to provide financial support, they aren't even required to buy their immigrants health insurance so the cost of their health care is passed on to the taxpayers.
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Old 02-07-2013, 07:44 AM
 
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You said: "Latinos have the highest number of quotas for legal immigration into our country"
Yes, they do. In fact out of that group Mexicans top the list. The reason for that I don't know but it is what it is. So there certainly isn't any discrimination against them such as their "brown skin" color as you claimed in another post.
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:26 PM
 
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"The amount paid per migrant has varied substantially over time, but is currently in the neighbourhood of US$2,000."

The cost of immigration fees is considerably more.

US immigration fees set to rise - Telegraph
If an illegal can pay even $2,000 to be smuggled into this country, he/she can certainly pay $600 to enter through legal channels. Only after living here and choosing to adjust status, or having other immigration issues, would they need to pay additional fees. Even then, they wouldn't pay $10,000 as claimed in your previous post.

Again, why don't they pay the lower fees to enter legally, rather than much higher fees to coyotes? Could it be, because many know they'd be rejected due to criminal backgrounds or lack of needed skills?


For you convenience, I have linked to the USCIS fee list. Heck, if they paid for every service offered by USCIS, which no one does, it wouldn't total $60,000.

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Today, Mexican smugglers can make up to $2,500, Ecuadoran smugglers up to $30,000 and Chinese smugglers up to $60,000 per person. "It's not Robin Hood, (or) do-gooders helping people make a living," said Kevin Jeffery, deputy special agent in charge for Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Los Angeles.
Mexican "Coyote" Smuggles Immigrants into the U.S.

USCIS - New Application and Petition Fees Go Into Effect on Nov. 23, 2010
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:41 AM
 
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If an illegal can pay even $2,000 to be smuggled into this country, he/she can certainly pay $600 to enter through legal channels. Only after living here and choosing to adjust status, or having other immigration issues, would they need to pay additional fees. Even then, they wouldn't pay $10,000 as claimed in your previous post.

Again, why don't they pay the lower fees to enter legally, rather than much higher fees to coyotes? Could it be, because many know they'd be rejected due to criminal backgrounds or lack of needed skills?


For you convenience, I have linked to the USCIS fee list. Heck, if they paid for every service offered by USCIS, which no one does, it wouldn't total $60,000.


Mexican "Coyote" Smuggles Immigrants into the U.S.

USCIS - New Application and Petition Fees Go Into Effect on Nov. 23, 2010
Here from somebody who has done it:

"I am a legal immigrant who is now a U.S citizen (2002) and it took me 11 years to go through the whole process. The total cost even back then if you add up all the lawyer fees was close to $10,000. The fees have gone up since and the total cost would be closer to $15,000."

posted on June 10, 2007 8:20:36 AM PDT by Maneesh

Vanity: Q for Legal Immigrants - How Much Does it Cost?


The fees have gone up even more since he posted that. Make it $20,000 with including legal fees, $10,000 for do it yourself. Thats why people don't do it legally, but I'm sure you wont believe that.

Those fees maybe be good and fine for someone coming from a developed country. But from someplace like Mexico, forget it. Unless they have rich friends or relatives already in the US, who are willing to give/loan them the money. Which is probably what is now accounting for most of the legal immigration from Mexico.

This would be the equivalent of a US citizen paying $100,000 in fees to immigrate to another country.

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Old 02-08-2013, 09:47 AM
 
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Here from somebody who has done it:

"I am a legal immigrant who is now a U.S citizen (2002) and it took me 11 years to go through the whole process. The total cost even back then if you add up all the lawyer fees was close to $10,000. The fees have gone up since and the total cost would be closer to $15,000."

posted on June 10, 2007 8:20:36 AM PDT by Maneesh

Vanity: Q for Legal Immigrants - How Much Does it Cost?

The fees have gone up even more since he posted that. Thats why people don't do it legally, but I'm sure you wont believe that.

Those fees maybe be good and fine for someone coming from a developed country. But from someplace like Mexico, forget it. Unless they have rich friends or relatives already in the US, who are willing to give/loan them the money. Which is probably what is now accounting for most of the legal immigration from Mexico.
Yet, Mexicans are here by far in the largest numbers legally. It doesn't matter whether one can afford the fees or not we have quotas for legal immigration that are filled every year. If we actually needed any immigrants above that quota wouldn't we make sure that they are able to come here somehow? That's the part you aren't gettiing. Aside from the steep fees there are more immigrants that want to come here than we can accomodate without it negatively impacting our own citizens. That is why coming here illegally is so wrong. Or don't our own citizens matter?
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