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Old 02-08-2013, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Exactly. The immigrants (legal and illegal though I don't like calling illegals immigrants)we tend to get now use welfare at higher levels than immigrants we used to get. There have been several studies on this and the fact is we just can't afford to have people come here who are unskilled. When 75% of those on assistance in Illinois are illegals and their kids something needs to be done.
If it is multiple "studies", as you say, it should be fairly easy to source your welfare usage statement...
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:31 PM
 
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If it is multiple "studies", as you say, it should be fairly easy to source your welfare usage statement...
Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare | Judicial Watch

Medicaid reform in Illinois - Chicago Cook County Nonpartisan | Examiner.com

There are MANY other studies online that state 75% of those on Medicaid in Illinois are illegal.

Then there is Center for Immigration Studies, aka CIS. Back Where We Started: An Examination of Trends in Immigrant Welfare Use Since Welfare Reform | Center for Immigration Studies

Then there is Illinois Healthy Moms and Bbaies program that states "you do not need to be here legally to receive benefits".
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:54 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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I also think many Americans are not aware of the substantial cost involved. The media always paint a heart sobbing story by showing children & giving the mantra "They come here for a better life" when quite the opposite is true for some.


Boy don't you speak the truth. Of course we are going to get the sob sad stories, the media will give obama exactly what he wants, and yes on a silver platter.

Too bad the media does not have a backbone when it comes to the annointed one.

People don't think you said it. The cost involved is so substantial, they don't think of that, or they don't care about that, i do, as well as others.

My a-- they all come here for a better life. True so many do, and true so many come here with bad intentions.

Ask someone i know a motorcyclist who was run over by a illegal and left to die, what he thinks. And there are many other stories out there as this one. But no you will only hear the sob stories. This poor guy has plates in almost every part of his body. For what, because these illegals, are so special that they can do anything, and not be punished for their crimes. Bologna.

Pay for this out of your pickets.

To get an accurate picture, we need the media to be fair, but they are not.
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare | Judicial Watch

Medicaid reform in Illinois - Chicago Cook County Nonpartisan | Examiner.com

There are MANY other studies online that state 75% of those on Medicaid in Illinois are illegal.

Then there is Center for Immigration Studies, aka CIS. Back Where We Started: An Examination of Trends in Immigrant Welfare Use Since Welfare Reform | Center for Immigration Studies

Then there is Illinois Healthy Moms and Bbaies program that states "you do not need to be here legally to receive benefits".
The statement I asked you to source is highlighted again here:

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Originally Posted by Idon'tdateyou View Post
Exactly. The immigrants (legal and illegal though I don't like calling illegals immigrants)we tend to get now use welfare at higher levels than immigrants we used to get. There have been several studies on this and the fact is we just can't afford to have people come here who are unskilled. When 75% of those on assistance in Illinois are illegals and their kids something needs to be done.
Your first source (by Judicial Watch, and titled "Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare") links back to the Center for Immigration Studies, which is not specifically named on the page, only described as "a nonpartisan Washington D.C. group dedicated to researching legal and illegal immigration in the U.S.". That seems highly suspicious, and even the underlying CIS "report" does not provide data from earlier years to now, which would show whether "use of welfare" has actually gone up. It also does not distinguish between illegal and legal immigrants, which Judicial Watch does not consider in their titling.

Your second source is from Examiner.com, not journalistic material. The author even claims a fourth of all the children in Illinois are "illegal aliens" (contested by the Auditor General of the State of Illinois)!:

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This has put one-third of the kids in Illinois on Medicaid, 75% said to be illegal immigrants.


I'm also not looking for data specific to Illinois, as your statement did not constrain that to anything below a national level...

Your third source (Back Where We Started: An Examination of Trends in Immigrant Welfare Use Since Welfare Reform | Center for Immigration Studies,, again) is closest the the data I asked for. It compares welfare usage in 1996 to 2001. CIS places "major welfare program use" as 22% in 1996, and 23% in 2001 for immigrant-headed (both legal and illegal) households. TANF and SNAP usage by immigrant households went down for the reported years ("a little under 6 percent in 1996 to slightly over 2 percent in 2001" for TANF, SNAP "declined significantly, from about 10 percent to 6 percent"), and was close for both programs to usage by native households.

CIS states that Medicaid use by immigrant-headed households grew "moderately" from 1996 to 2001 to displace lower usage of TANF and SNAP, but do not provide any percentage increases. Medicaid enrollment is heavily constrained to exclude illegal aliens, so the majority of growth in that program would be from lawfully present individuals. They also report the number of immigrant households increased over those years, but I asked for a comparison of usage rates, not overall costs from a higher population (which would also have a larger tax base).

That particular CIS report is a decade out of date, and only compares the difference between five years...
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Old 02-10-2013, 02:53 PM
 
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Virtually all illegals having birth here have Medicaid paying for the births and all pediatric care from then on. Virtually all illegals get food stamps once they have a US born baby that qualifies them to get food stamps.

I have yet to hear of a solitiary illegal cross the border and head on over to a health insurance agency to buy himself or herself a health insurance plan.

These are Mexico's most impoverished, least capable people, they're fleeing Mexico any way they can because in spite of Mexico's low unemployment rate and growing middle class, these people have no hopes of ever becoming middle class there.
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Old 02-10-2013, 06:55 PM
 
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Virtually all illegals having birth here have Medicaid paying for the births and all pediatric care from then on. Virtually all illegals get food stamps once they have a US born baby that qualifies them to get food stamps.

I have yet to hear of a solitiary illegal cross the border and head on over to a health insurance agency to buy himself or herself a health insurance plan.

These are Mexico's most impoverished, least capable people, they're fleeing Mexico any way they can because in spite of Mexico's low unemployment rate and growing middle class, these people have no hopes of ever becoming middle class there.
Exactly and why people don't get it I don't know. The illegals we are getting are uneducated unskilled and pretty much stay there. They either work low skilled jobs (basically taking these jobs away from OUR unskilled)or don't work at all, and they cost us billions.

Incidentally we do get a lot of legal Mexican immigrants but from what I understand they are generally middle class, educated, often speak English and are often white Mexicans (as in are descended from Spanish instead of Mestizos as most illegals are).
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Old 02-10-2013, 07:53 PM
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The statement I asked you to source is highlighted again here:



Your first source (by Judicial Watch, and titled "Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare") links back to the Center for Immigration Studies, which is not specifically named on the page, only described as "a nonpartisan Washington D.C. group dedicated to researching legal and illegal immigration in the U.S.". That seems highly suspicious, and even the underlying CIS "report" does not provide data from earlier years to now, which would show whether "use of welfare" has actually gone up. It also does not distinguish between illegal and legal immigrants, which Judicial Watch does not consider in their titling.

Your second source is from Examiner.com, not journalistic material. The author even claims a fourth of all the children in Illinois are "illegal aliens" (contested by the Auditor General of the State of Illinois)!:



I'm also not looking for data specific to Illinois, as your statement did not constrain that to anything below a national level...

Your third source (Back Where We Started: An Examination of Trends in Immigrant Welfare Use Since Welfare Reform | Center for Immigration Studies,, again) is closest the the data I asked for. It compares welfare usage in 1996 to 2001. CIS places "major welfare program use" as 22% in 1996, and 23% in 2001 for immigrant-headed (both legal and illegal) households. TANF and SNAP usage by immigrant households went down for the reported years ("a little under 6 percent in 1996 to slightly over 2 percent in 2001" for TANF, SNAP "declined significantly, from about 10 percent to 6 percent"), and was close for both programs to usage by native households.

CIS states that Medicaid use by immigrant-headed households grew "moderately" from 1996 to 2001 to displace lower usage of TANF and SNAP, but do not provide any percentage increases. Medicaid enrollment is heavily constrained to exclude illegal aliens, so the majority of growth in that program would be from lawfully present individuals. They also report the number of immigrant households increased over those years, but I asked for a comparison of usage rates, not overall costs from a higher population (which would also have a larger tax base).

That particular CIS report is a decade out of date, and only compares the difference between five years...
It's quite interesting how quickly you dismiss any source or bit of info that doesn't support your pro-illegal alien agenda...
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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It's quite interesting how quickly you dismiss any source or bit of info that doesn't support your pro-illegal alien agenda...
No, it's just those "sources" don't really have the clarity for what they are intended to represent. Do you believe the quoted "Examiner" article (the site does not vet, or hold the authors to any journalistic standard) that claims a full quarter of the children in Illinois (and three-fourths of those in poverty) are illegal aliens? If someone doesn't believe such a reference, does it mean a "pro-illegal alien agenda"?

One recent "Examiner" article author had reported that two Texas ranches were taken over by the "Zetas" a couple years back. Claimed that police and DHS vehicles and helicopters had descended on the locations, and were in the process of seizing the ranches back. Only it was never true, and local residents said they never saw anything of that nature happening.

But that article is still up, uncorrected, at the "Examiner" (Los Zetas drug cartel seizes 2 U.S. ranches in Texas - San Diego County Political Buzz | Examiner.com), and not only is it not retracted, Kimberly Dvorak gave it a follow-up: Los Zetas cartels takeover Texas ranches revisited - San Diego County Political Buzz | Examiner.com
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:29 PM
 
Location: southern california
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the scam coming from washington is shameful, a third amnesty under the cloak of "welfare reform". sin verguenza. congressmen for sale.
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