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Old 06-15-2014, 06:25 PM
 
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The better approach would be smaller bills aimed at targeting the actual problems instead of a large bill aimed at rewarding criminal behavior.
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Old 06-15-2014, 07:18 PM
 
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Cantor: children of illegal immigrants should get U.S. citizenship - Yahoo! News

It seems more and more like CIR is coming no matter that we like it or not. These Repug goons refuse to stand up on principle that these people are here illegally. If they cannot stand up for the rule of law on this issue, then WHO can?
You get no where with goon talk. All you have to do is look at when Bush proposed and congress was going to do reform last time with amnesty. Congress quickly got the message from voters and dropped it like a rock. Even Obama made a speech where he said he could not pass a so called dream act law. It was likely also the nail that loss Cantor the election in many people's opinion altho that has been spun a lot since. He did not lose by small margin either.
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Old 06-15-2014, 08:36 PM
 
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Not really. Lindsay Graham won a majority over all five opponents - and he is VERY pro-immigration reform. He was on Face The Nation this morning outlining the argument.

Immigration isn't the only reason Cantor lost - and the GOP is doomed if they don't try to figure out a way to get the huge Hispanic voting block to at least consider that party.

No,no. If GOP continues to ignore the issue, it will go the way of the Whig. Demographics are inexorably against them - and getting worse every nine months.
And the only way to get a little more of the Hispanic vote is for the GOP to thumb their noses at our immigration laws. Is that what they should do?
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Old 06-15-2014, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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The emotionally engaged minority was exercised enough to throw out Cantor who would have most probably won in November. Primaries are dangerous because they attract the issue-oriented voter - and don't necessarily reflect the will of the majority. Think Tea Party. Think tail wagging dog.

Although not a GOPer by any means, I think these fools who voted out Cantor will rue the day. They're too uninformed to know what they just lost. Many comments on NYT said they voted him out b/c they were govt workers and angry about the shutdown - and are hoping for a Dem upset in November. IDIOTS. That district is solidly GOP. The day Brat prevents another shutdown is the day pigs fly.

NYT had an excellent analysis of the effect of Cantor's loss, including on small businesses, here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/15/bu...t.html?hp&_r=0

I'll say it again - those voters are idiots.
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Old 06-15-2014, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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And the only way to get a little more of the Hispanic vote is for the GOP to thumb their noses at our immigration laws. Is that what they should do?
No, that's not what I said. Lindsay Graham won by a wide margin. 83% of the voters - he says - want the type of immigration reform he is proposing. Starting with securing the border.

But, the GOP can't put their heads in the sand on this issue - or it will fail.

What do you propose the GOP do to survive given the changing demographics?
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Old 06-15-2014, 08:59 PM
 
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No, that's not what I said. Lindsay Graham won by a wide margin. 83% of the voters - he says - want the type of immigration reform he is proposing. Starting with securing the border.

But, the GOP can't put their heads in the sand on this issue - or it will fail.

What do you propose the GOP do to survive given the changing demographics?
Unless the GOP adheres to socialism and advocates for amnesty for illegal aliens they will never get the majority of the Hispanic vote nor any other minority vote. In other words they'd have to turn into Democrats.
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Cantor is taking a reasonable position .
How is it reasonable to reward who broke the law and favor them over Americans?
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:16 PM
 
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Not really. Lindsay Graham won a majority over all five opponents - and he is VERY pro-immigration reform. He was on Face The Nation this morning outlining the argument.

Immigration isn't the only reason Cantor lost - and the GOP is doomed if they don't try to figure out a way to get the huge Hispanic voting block to at least consider that party.

No,no. If GOP continues to ignore the issue, it will go the way of the Whig. Demographics are inexorably against them - and getting worse every nine months.

I'm half Hispanic and take offense at the assumption that Hispanic-American voters are one issue voters who are a monolith that votes in lock step with La Raza. I, for one, do NOT want amnesty for illegal aliens. I don't care where in the world an illegal alien is from. Nor do I care if they overstayed a visa or sneaked across a border. They have one thing in common, and that is this --- they have no business being here and need to leave.

Plus, the Hispanic voting bloc amounts to about 10% of the voting population. That's hardly a "huge Hispanic voting block [sic]". And not all of that voting bloc wants amnesty for illegal aliens.
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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No, that's not what I said. Lindsay Graham won by a wide margin. 83% of the voters - he says - want the type of immigration reform he is proposing. Starting with securing the border.

But, the GOP can't put their heads in the sand on this issue - or it will fail.

What do you propose the GOP do to survive given the changing demographics?
Border fence
No more hand outs to illegals
Change the immigtion system to favor a cap at 250,000 people and make damn sure to favor skilled labor only.

We dont need poor, unskilled, 3rd world persons flooding into this nation..
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:26 PM
 
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I'm half Hispanic and take offense at the assumption that Hispanic-American voters are one issue voters who are a monolith that votes in lock step with La Raza. I, for one, do NOT want amnesty for illegal aliens. I don't care where in the world an illegal alien is from. Nor do I care if they overstayed a visa or sneaked across a border. They have one thing in common, and that is this --- they have no business being here and need to leave.

Plus, the Hispanic voting bloc amounts to about 10% of the voting population. That's hardly a "huge Hispanic voting block [sic]". And not all of that voting bloc wants amnesty for illegal aliens.
It's true that not all Hispanics are advocates for amnesty but unfortunately the majority are. They have been very vocal about it and the polls also prove that out.

You're right Hispanics are not a huge voting block so I don't know why our politicians are falling all over themselves to appease them on amnesty when it isn't in the best interests of the rest of the populous.
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