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Old 02-11-2013, 04:53 PM
 
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No, because I don't see what the big deal is?
Right, our immigration laws are no big deal. Nor is the fact that illegal immigrants are costing us billions in tax dollars and the loss of American jobs. No big deal either that they are overcrowding our schools, jails and hospitals and depleting our resources natural and otherwise. Nothing to be concerned about here. Let's just move along.

 
Old 02-11-2013, 04:53 PM
 
Location: California
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And police choose not to enforce jaywalking laws, or they let speeders off with a warning. Still jaywalking is a crime and so is speeding.
They are not crimes they are violations/infractions of state civil or municipal code with nothing more than a fine as a punishment.
 
Old 02-11-2013, 04:55 PM
 
Location: California
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Have you gone over the speed limit? you're a criminal.
Have you ever jaywalked? then you're a criminal
Have you littered? then you're a criminal
Infractions are not crimes, they are nothing more then state or municipal civil codes.
 
Old 02-11-2013, 04:55 PM
 
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I see you have no idea of what a crime is vs what a violation (infraction) is. A crime has Misdemeanor or Felony behind it, a violation, ie jaywalking, speeding, etc, is nothing more than a fine.
You have no idea that anything against the law is a crime. its against the law the jaywalk; whether a fine is paid or jail/prison time is offered.

Ever drove drunk? Lucky you didn't get caught? you still committed a crime.

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I ignored it? Funny, I responded to it with:
And that wasn't a response.

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And yet I gave you a link already that shows that those business models of those farmers have changed already, they have mechanized, planted less labor intensive crops, began using the H2A visa.
and many farmers haven't "updated" and/or there are not machines that can replace the skilled laborers out in the field.

Ever gone pineapple picking? There is no machine invented that can replace the 20-40 workers that work in a field to gather 300-400 pineapples each, in a day. They have to wear long sleeved shirts, thick gloves, scarves and hats, just to keep themselves protected harsh spines of the pineapple crowns, working with machetes/long knives to free the pineapple from the ground. it's been the same process of harvesting pineapples for 70 years and that process hasn't changed much in those years.
 
Old 02-11-2013, 04:56 PM
 
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Right, and you think they would. Evidence that they do?

Anecdotal, I know several adults, who are children of illegal immigrants who were brought here when they were just children. They know nothing about their parent's country, and many care not to. Their country as far as they are concerned is America. They speak English, they communicate in English. And barely use or know the language of their parent's home country.


And for the 2nd time, this question has been avoided:

How would you like to be deported back to say Chile, if you were brought here by your parents at age 2? You know nothing about Chile, don't speak the language, don't even care about the politics of Chile, but you've contributed to American civilization by going to college and working, have friends and volunteer from time to time.
I may not like it but I would have to do what our laws dictate. Being here illegally whether forcibly or not makes one subject to deportaton. Speeding I get a ticket. The punishment fits the crime in both cases. Minor children in particular belong with their parents so the whole damned family can go back to their homeland together.

Anti-"immigrant"? Who the hell is anti-"immigrant"? Blurring those lines between legal and illegal again?

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Old 02-11-2013, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Right, our immigration laws are no big deal. Nor is the fact that illegal immigrants are costing us billions in tax dollars and the loss of American jobs. No big deal either that they are overcrowding our schools, jails and hospitals and depleting our resources natural and otherwise. Nothing to be concerned about here. Let's just move along.
More than likely a college student with high ideals about changing America to "Utopia".
Wait til he has to get a job, or when he has a family with kids in the public school system or get a job and be transferred to a border state.

Then he may see that it might be a big deal.
 
Old 02-11-2013, 04:59 PM
 
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Being here illegally whether forcibly or not makes one subject to deportaton.
so I ask again, you have failed to answer:

If you were brought here when you 2 years old, from chile, and you know nothing about Chile, the government, politics, and do not know the language, should you be deported to Chile?
 
Old 02-11-2013, 05:00 PM
 
Location: USA
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The people who founded this country were criminals. People who fought for civil rights were criminals. Breaking a law doesn't make someone a vile person.
 
Old 02-11-2013, 05:01 PM
 
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Right, and you think they would. Evidence that they do?

Anecdotal, I know several adults, who are children of illegal immigrants who were brought here when they were just children. They know nothing about their parent's country, and many care not to. Their country as far as they are concerned is America. They speak English, they communicate in English. And barely use or know the language of their parent's home country.


And for the 2nd time, this question has been avoided:

How would you like to be deported back to say Chile, if you were brought here by your parents at age 2? You know nothing about Chile, don't speak the language, don't even care about the politics of Chile, but you've contributed to American civilization by going to college and working, have friends and volunteer from time to time.
How the hell do you think the parents communicated with their kids if not through their native language? What language do you think they were taught from birth? You're grasping at straws now.
 
Old 02-11-2013, 05:01 PM
 
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You have no idea that anything against the law is a crime. its against the law the jaywalk; whether a fine is paid or jail/prison time is offered.

Ever drove drunk? Lucky you didn't get caught? you still committed a crime.

And that wasn't a response.

and many farmers haven't "updated" and/or there are not machines that can replace the skilled laborers out in the field.

Ever gone pineapple picking? There is no machine invented that can replace the 20-40 workers that work in a field to gather 300-400 pineapples each, in a day. They have to wear long sleeved shirts, thick gloves, scarves and hats, just to keep themselves protected harsh spines of the pineapple crowns, working with machetes/long knives to free the pineapple from the ground. it's been the same process of harvesting pineapples for 70 years and that process hasn't changed much in those years.
Why are you for subverting our laws on immigration? Why are you against deporting all people who illegally violated our sovereign borders? Why hasn't this guys parents become naturalized citizens the right lawful way, the American Way?
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