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Old 02-17-2013, 12:08 AM
 
Location: NJ
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/ma...ted=print&_r=0

The one number that scares me is its reference to 25 million citizens without a high school diploma. Even w/o immigration issues, that is completely unacceptable.
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Education in these countries is only mandatory until 5th or 6th grade.
In Guatemala only 30% make it to 6th grade.
Mexico was also 6th grade until the mid 90's when they upped it to 9th grade.
In Mexico only 35% have attained a HS diploma

It's not rocket science here to figure out that it is the poor and uneducated that are coming here illegally.
Even at off the books lower pay they are still making way more than if they stayed and worked in their own countries.

Many children of illegals don't make it past 10th grade themselves (legal age for dropping out of school).

The work the US did with education and striving to get everyone at least through HS is going to be set back once amnesty happens.

OECD has data for various countries.
http://www.oecd.org/
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Old 02-17-2013, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Education in these countries is only mandatory until 5th or 6th grade.
In Guatemala only 30% make it to 6th grade.
Mexico was also 6th grade until the mid 90's when they upped it to 9th grade.
In Mexico only 35% have attained a HS diploma

It's not rocket science here to figure out that it is the poor and uneducated that are coming here illegally.
Even at off the books lower pay they are still making way more than if they stayed and worked in their own countries.

Many children of illegals don't make it past 10th grade themselves (legal age for dropping out of school).

The work the US did with education and striving to get everyone at least through HS is going to be set back once amnesty happens.

OECD has data for various countries.
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development
The OP is referring to the U.S. citizens right now without a High School diploma. It's been about twenty years ago, but I worked with an American forced by his family to drop out of 2nd grade, and that was not influenced by illegal immigragration. Without any immigration factors, what is the number here that have not graduated High School?
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Old 02-17-2013, 08:55 AM
 
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The OP is referring to the U.S. citizens right now without a High School diploma. It's been about twenty years ago, but I worked with an American forced by his family to drop out of 2nd grade, and that was not influenced by illegal immigragration. Without any immigration factors, what is the number here that have not graduated High School?
Without massive immigration, it would be about a third of what it is. A large number of the drop outs are anchor babies born to parents who never saw the need to stay in school. Cultural influences also work against staying in school. If they would have stayed in school back in their homeland, they wouldn't have needed to come here in the first place.

Supposedly we need all these impoverished unskilled uneducated workers coming over the border -- it's weird then when the government wants to spend more money on education when supposedly it's the uneducated workers that are needed.

High School Dropout Problem

With only half of minority students graduating high school on time, U.S. secondary schools need more funding, rigor and accountability to address the “silent epidemic” of school dropouts, national and community activists said at a special Washington, D.C., conference Wednesday.
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Old 02-17-2013, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Wappingers Falls, NY
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We need all these people coming across the border because our own citizens have to graduate high school and then pay a lot of money for college degrees no matter if they're going to use them or not.

Incidentally, some of those impoverished people coming across the border are some of the nicest people you'll ever meet in your life. Too bad they're coming here illegally rather than legally though.
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Old 02-17-2013, 10:13 AM
 
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For US to compete in today's global economy, we need to have more educated high-skilled people. Adding 25 million uneducated low skilled workers, who provide low motivation for education to their own children, will only bring US down in this competition. And it will decrease overall level of livings for US citizen. Health care cost is going up, educational cost is going up, environmental cost is going up, infrastructure cost is going up... so contribution of low skilled labor is going down

I saw our neighbors have installed artificial grass last weekend on their lawn. They will safe a lot of money on water bill and maintenance cost now. And won't need low skilled labor help any more either.
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Old 02-17-2013, 05:59 PM
 
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We need all these people coming across the border because our own citizens have to graduate high school and then pay a lot of money for college degrees no matter if they're going to use them or not.

Incidentally, some of those impoverished people coming across the border are some of the nicest people you'll ever meet in your life. Too bad they're coming here illegally rather than legally though.
I don't understand your first sentence at all. As for some of them being nice what has that to do with violating our immigration laws?
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Wappingers Falls, NY
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I don't understand your first sentence at all. As for some of them being nice what has that to do with violating our immigration laws?
We need all these people coming across the border because our own citizens have to graduate high school and then pay a lot of money for college degrees no matter if they're going to use them or not.

Not sure how much simpler I can make it.
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:36 PM
 
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We need all these people coming across the border because our own citizens have to graduate high school and then pay a lot of money for college degrees no matter if they're going to use them or not.

Not sure how much simpler I can make it.
Sorry, but I am still understanding a word you are saying. Maybe someone else can explain it to me. You lost me anyway by claiming that "we need these people". Um, no we don't.
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Wappingers Falls, NY
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Sorry, but I am still understanding a word you are saying. Maybe someone else can explain it to me. You lost me anyway by claiming that "we need these people". Um, no we don't.
Ok, let me break this down into very small pieces...

Absolutely we do. Because if every American shells out for a degree no one's going to want to do anything else. And of course everyone absolutely has to have a college degree, no one should be forced to live without indoctrination being shoved down their throat thanks to federal funding of the university system and/or funding from conservative and liberal action groups. Hence, absolutely zero political parties in Washington have any interest in closing up the borders to those coming here illegally. In fact, it's a very big wink-wink nod-nod system that's accepted in all but an official sense. So it's a good thing most of them are nice, decent, hard-working people that we would actually want in this country anyway, because they're coming.
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