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Old 02-18-2013, 10:03 AM
 
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We know that approximately 40% of illegals are visa overstayers and not so-called "border jumpers." We also know that illegal immigrants come from all over the world. The vast majority, however, come from LatAm.

The US has procedures in place for those fleeing political or religious persecution to apply to remain here legally. The overwhelming number of illegal immigrants are not asylum seekers.
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:54 AM
 
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[quote=majesticat;28299138]We know that approximately 40% of illegals are visa overstayers and not so-called "border jumpers." We also know that illegal immigrants come from all over the world. The vast majority, however, come from LatAm.

The US has procedures in place for those fleeing political or religious persecution to apply to remain here legally. The overwhelming number of illegal immigrants are not asylum seekers.[/QU How do you know how many are border jumpers? You dont. Is it 5 million 10 million 30 million 40 million? Thats what people are complaining about. We just dont know
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:50 PM
 
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Rather than sponsor foreigners, maybe Americans should sponsor other Americans if they want to provide financial support and housing to someone. We've got so many people out of work, many Americans no longer believe the American dream is attainable. Charity begins at home.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:32 AM
 
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Rather than sponsor foreigners, maybe Americans should sponsor other Americans if they want to provide financial support and housing to someone. We've got so many people out of work, many Americans no longer believe the American dream is attainable. Charity begins at home.
Agreed. Charity should indeed begin at home. With high unemployment and record numbers on the food stamp and welfare rolls, we can barely help our own. Rather than sponsoring illegals, I would prefer we enforce our laws and secure our borders. That would solve most of the problem. Sadly, we must endure yet another ill-fated mass amnesty. Reach deep into your pockets, folks. This one will be a whopper. Whether we like it or not, we are ALL being forced to "sponsor" illegals. That's the sad reality. Even more disturbing is the fact that this isn't being done as a humanitarian gesture. These folks won't face certain death if returned home. No, this is solely to secure the Hispanic vote and political power for our worthless, career criminal so-called politicians, with absolutely no regard for the future or wellbeing of citizens. IMO, this amnesty will be the ultimate betrayal.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:31 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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Agreed. Charity should indeed begin at home. With high unemployment and record numbers on the food stamp and welfare rolls, we can barely help our own. Rather than sponsoring illegals, I would prefer we enforce our laws and secure our borders. That would solve most of the problem. Sadly, we must endure yet another ill-fated mass amnesty. Reach deep into your pockets, folks. This one will be a whopper. Whether we like it or not, we are ALL being forced to "sponsor" illegals. That's the sad reality. Even more disturbing is the fact that this isn't being done as a humanitarian gesture. These folks won't face certain death if returned home. No, this is solely to secure the Hispanic vote and political power for our worthless, career criminal so-called politicians, with absolutely no regard for the future or wellbeing of citizens. IMO, this amnesty will be the ultimate betrayal.
Couldn't have said it any better myself. Not only are we being kicked while we're down, we're being pissed on as well.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:35 AM
 
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Agreed. Charity should indeed begin at home. With high unemployment and record numbers on the food stamp and welfare rolls, we can barely help our own. Rather than sponsoring illegals, I would prefer we enforce our laws and secure our borders. That would solve most of the problem. Sadly, we must endure yet another ill-fated mass amnesty. Reach deep into your pockets, folks. This one will be a whopper. Whether we like it or not, we are ALL being forced to "sponsor" illegals. That's the sad reality. Even more disturbing is the fact that this isn't being done as a humanitarian gesture. These folks won't face certain death if returned home. No, this is solely to secure the Hispanic vote and political power for our worthless, career criminal so-called politicians, with absolutely no regard for the future or wellbeing of citizens. IMO, this amnesty will be the ultimate betrayal.
Not only is there little concern for unemployed Americans and our own poor citizens but the needs of our Vets and seniors also. I guess the needs of illegal foeigners takes front and center with our power hungry politicians. This country has changed and not for the better.
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:31 AM
 
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For those of you that think that illegal aliens should stay in the United States, how about a sponsorship program. If you are single, you can sponsor one illegal alien. If you are a couple, you can sponsor a couple. A family can sponsor a family. You sponsor them for 5 years. During those five years the illegal aliens have to be gainfully employed and stay out of jail, no felonies and no serious misdemeanors (they cannot have criminal records to be sponsored either). If, during those five years they become unemployed/dependent, you the sponsor have to support them, as well as pay for their medical needs. If they commit a crime, you the sponsor have to pay their attorney's fees. As I said, if after the 5 years they have shown that they are and can be gainfully employed and can obey the laws, then they can be granted the right to stay. If not, they go back to whatever country they came from (and no, I don't mean just Mexicans and South Americans either).
Why would we sponsor people who break our laws?
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:20 PM
 
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We know that approximately 40% of illegals are visa overstayers and not so-called "border jumpers." We also know that illegal immigrants come from all over the world. The vast majority, however, come from LatAm.

The US has procedures in place for those fleeing political or religious persecution to apply to remain here legally. The overwhelming number of illegal immigrants are not asylum seekers.
And that's because a border crossing card aka visitor visa aka laser visa costs only $149 and allows them to enter legally but they're not supposed to stay forever. These laser visas can be "rented" in every Mexican border town to use while crossing through the legal ports of entry. Technically these illegals entered semi-legally, they came through a legal entry port, and they "overstay" the visa.

There is very major fraud taking place, these visas were never meant for them to go to any part of the USA they please, they were not meant for them to come and take jobs and decide they're never going home again. No need to pay the cartel smugglers several hundreds of dollars when the US government gives them this cheap visa to abuse.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:22 PM
 
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Why would we sponsor people who break our laws?
It would make the pro-illegals put their money where their mouths are if they had to sponsor the illegals in a meaningful way -- but sponsorship needs some serious reform because as it is now, sponsors of immigrants are not required to buy their immigrants health insurance plans, or pay their medical bills and education costs.
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