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Old 02-22-2013, 02:59 PM
 
Location: California
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Actually what Paul advocates is open borders.
Rand Paul does not advocate "open borders". He agrees with Milton Friedman about the welfare state and immigration, Paul wants to go further and have ... each year we vote on a report [on border security] so each year if were going to normalize some of the people who are undocumented here, it is dependent on a vote on the border security that affirms that we are securing the border.[LEFT]
Read more: Rand Paul: GOP must 'evolve' on immigration - Kevin Cirilli - POLITICO.com
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Old 02-22-2013, 03:14 PM
 
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to the OP-you better believe it is!

look at this recent headline:
Hershey Plant Moving to Mexico - NewsInBlack


after 23 years here!


so, again, american businesses are closing up shop here, and relocating to mexico and nothing is being done, nothing is going to be done, and the continued destruction of america as a 1st world country continues.

if hershey wants to go to mexico, they should be forced to take the available illegal immigrant labor pool with them when they go. they will have a built in labor force-- only maybe not as cheaply as they imagined.

instead, our clueless (read stupid) government leaders are making plans to bring more people in----TO DO WHAT EXACTLY?

haven't they driven wages down enough with this BS?

americans should march on washington on the 4th of july--- they should do it for job security, a raise in their standard of living, their children's future, and for the love of their country.

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Old 02-22-2013, 04:30 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Rand Paul does not advocate "open borders". He agrees with Milton Friedman about the welfare state and immigration, Paul wants to go further and have ... each year we vote on a report [on border security] so each year if were going to normalize some of the people who are undocumented here, it is dependent on a vote on the border security that affirms that we are securing the border.[LEFT]
Read more: Rand Paul: GOP must 'evolve' on immigration - Kevin Cirilli - POLITICO.com
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BS this is a quote from the aritcle you linked "I believe you allow people to come in without having a secure border"
Hello any body home..... go back and read your own article.
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Old 02-22-2013, 04:33 PM
 
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And whatever the Republicans do they're never going to get it.
Who Cares??

The only thing that should matter is the AMERICAN vote, yes those people that are loyal to the USA regardless of their ethnicity.
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Old 02-22-2013, 04:37 PM
 
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Of course people are upset, especially in Arizona. But what are we to do, deport 11 million people? That will never happen, ever. Secure the borders FIRST, then talk about doing something with the illegal aliens that are here.
Simple , make life horrible for them by taking away all the freebies and employment opportunities. Let them live in fear and through attrition we can deal with those left far easier.

In short let's starve them out of here.Join Date: Dec 2009
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Yes , starve them out and they will self deport !!!
O.C. family returns to a violence-plagued Mexico | family, grace, berenice - News - The Orange County Register
Mexican village serves as purgatory for the deported | - News - The Orange County Register

Yes, self deportation that costs the US nothing, read the comments section, you have (gasp) Americans of Latino ancestry that support this !!!

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/m...ta-family.html

Time for them to fix THEIR own country it seems.

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Old 02-22-2013, 05:25 PM
 
Location: California
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BS this is a quote from the aritcle you linked "I believe you allow people to come in without having a secure border"
Hello any body home..... go back and read your own article.
WAFM Try using his entire paragraph that you so shorted.
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He continued: So I am concerned, but Im also open-minded enough to say that it is an issue that we do need to evolve on. But Im not willing to be so much in adapting that I believe you allow people to come in without having a secure border and without not letting people get to the front of the line.[LEFT]
Read more: Rand Paul: GOP must 'evolve' on immigration - Kevin Cirilli - POLITICO.com
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Now, Really?
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Old 02-22-2013, 06:02 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Of course people are upset, especially in Arizona. But what are we to do, deport 11 million people? That will never happen, ever. Secure the borders FIRST, then talk about doing something with the illegal aliens that are here.

Go after those employing them with the threat of losing their business, and you will see what is called self deportation.

It will not cost us a dime, as the employers that get caught will be funding the program.
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Old 02-23-2013, 06:59 AM
 
Location: texas
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McCain defends immigration plan to angry residents - Yahoo! News

If you think illegal immigration was bad in the past, you have not seen anything yet.
Illegal immigration is the agenda of the corporate elite who are going to shove open borders down America’s throat regardless of what the people want.
The Republicans are on board, the people who have hijacked the Libertarian party are on board, and the Democrats have always been on board.
If you think your opinion, your vote, or your protests will have any effect, you are delusional.
You have no say. This is no longer a country of the people; it is a country of the Corporate Powers.
What you are seeing is the next step on the road to the implementation of the North American Union.
Welcome to the New World Order.
Republicans, Libertarians, and Democrats are on board...Who in American is left?

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"You have no say."
Weren't you paying attention in school? Didn't they teach you what form of government you live under?

Even if every person in American voted on every issue, how do you suppose they would claim a proposal carried or failed? Count the votes. count the Yea and Nays; and the group with the most votes would carry.

There still would be winners and losers.


Do y'all remeber the fable of the wolf snapping at a stem of grapes just out of his leaping range...
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This is no longer a country of the people; it is a country of the Corporate Powers.
What you are seeing is the next step on the road to the implementation of the North American Union.
Welcome to the New World Order.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:41 AM
 
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Go after those employing them with the threat of losing their business, and you will see what is called self deportation.

It will not cost us a dime, as the employers that get caught will be funding the program.
True and cut off all welfare handouts to illegals, no food stamps, no more free health care, and we'd save tons of dollars. Those anchor babies aren't the ones showing up to the welfare offices to apply for their food stamps themselves.

A $50,000 per illegal fine to the employers of them would be an excellent way for the government to get more revenue and decrease much of this problem.

Reform of the immigration laws should include stopping family chain migration and give preference to employer sponsored immigrants. To claim self-deportion won't work is absurd as these very same people removed themselves from their own beloved homelands, even paying human traffickers several thousands of dollars out of their own wallets to leave, but they're not going to leave as long as they're coddled here and are never expected to even pay their hospital bills.
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Old 02-24-2013, 12:49 PM
 
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we all know how to fix it, but our representatives are not looking out for american citizens and LEGAL immigrants.

there already is a process in place to become a citizen in america, and millions have legally gone through the process-and they have every right to be here.

i visited my mom and passed through a town in florida called fellsmere. they had a sign up IN SPANISH advertising free rent-now who do you think is expected to pay that rent?

this country has lost its moral compass, its direction, and its future all at the same time.

NO country should reward lawbreakers. (and the smart countries do not)

we cannot afford all these benefits for people who are just entering this country, people with no loyalty to america-people who have other countries that they can go home to if push comes to shove. we are not going to be collecting a lot more in taxes because the middle class is getting tapped out, and the rich keep coming up with new tax dodges-with the blessing of congress and the president:

Paulson Leads Funds to Bermuda Tax Dodge Aiding Billionaires - Bloomberg

if you are rich and want to hide your money, that's how you do it legally with the blessing of congress and the OTHER 1%----vacation and a tax dodge.

where are americans supposed to go when it all falls apart????
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