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Old 02-27-2013, 08:39 PM
 
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So much emotional ranting over this issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/us/02immig.html
Excerpt: "Despite continuing high unemployment among American workers, record deportations by the Obama administration and expanding efforts by states to crack down, the number of unauthorized immigrants in the work force — about eight million — was also unchanged, the Pew report [link] found. Those workers were about 5 percent of the American work force."

Another thing - illegal aliens, and especially their children, deserve an amnesty or "path to citizenship" because both republicans (the biggest complainers) and democrats have historically done nothing about it when they could.

 
Old 02-27-2013, 09:41 PM
 
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So much emotional ranting over this issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/us/02immig.html
Excerpt: "Despite continuing high unemployment among American workers, record deportations by the Obama administration and expanding efforts by states to crack down, the number of unauthorized immigrants in the work force — about eight million — was also unchanged, the Pew report [link] found. Those workers were about 5 percent of the American work force."

Another thing - illegal aliens, and especially their children, deserve an amnesty or "path to citizenship" because both republicans (the biggest complainers) and democrats have historically done nothing about it when they could.
What other group of lawbreakers "deserves" a nice big reward? How about bad-check writers? Tax-evaders? Dead beat fathers? Will all be getting their nice reward also? Or are the rewards only for foreigners breaking the laws and not Americans?
 
Old 02-27-2013, 10:32 PM
 
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What other group of lawbreakers "deserves" a nice big reward? How about bad-check writers? Tax-evaders? Dead beat fathers? Will all be getting their nice reward also? Or are the rewards only for foreigners breaking the laws and not Americans?
Wall Street criminal hedge fund managers? You righties never complain about these.
 
Old 02-28-2013, 01:09 AM
 
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Wall Street criminal hedge fund managers? You righties never complain about these.
Well maybe it's time to end the unemployment and welfare handouts since you liberals obviously believe there are more than plenty of jobs and that jobless Americans are just too damned lazy to want to work so you need to bring in many millions of illegals --- to do those jobs unemployed Americans don't want to do -- as the saying goes.

Yes maybe we can talk about amnesty AFTER unemployment extensions are ended and AFTER food stamps are cut back to 1960 levels.

It's insane to have the liberal open borders agenda and bring the world's most impoverished to live the good easy life here but keep paying Americans not to work -- that's what's creating the massive debt.
 
Old 02-28-2013, 06:23 AM
 
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So much emotional ranting over this issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/us/02immig.html
Excerpt: "Despite continuing high unemployment among American workers, record deportations by the Obama administration and expanding efforts by states to crack down, the number of unauthorized immigrants in the work force — about eight million — was also unchanged, the Pew report [link] found. Those workers were about 5 percent of the American work force."

Another thing - illegal aliens, and especially their children, deserve an amnesty or "path to citizenship" because both republicans (the biggest complainers) and democrats have historically done nothing about it when they could.

Your claims about the Obama administration having the highest deporatation numbers have already been debunked in here numerous times.

Just because our government hasn't cracked down on illegal immigration long ago doesn't justify the American people paying for their negligence by granting amnesty to these illegal immigants since it will negatively impact "US". Neither the lawbreaking parents or their kids deserve anything but to be returned to their homelands where they belong.

This isn't an emotional issue but one based on our laws and what is in the best interests of our citizens.
 
Old 02-28-2013, 06:25 AM
 
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Wall Street criminal hedge fund managers? You righties never complain about these.
I oppose all lawbreakers and want them all held accountable and this isn't a rightie vs a leftie issue either.
 
Old 02-28-2013, 08:03 AM
 
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Wackenhut used to employ a few specially equipped (bars or chain link fencing over the windows) buses and drivers to make weekly runs south to San Luis from the city environs of Yuma Az. to discharge and escort illegals captured back across the border. That all ground to a halt some years ago.

The current practice is to allow those caught to remain in the U.S. for much longer periods of time, either through detention or release with some form of monitoring; voluntary or mandatory.

End result:

While previous system could arguably be called catch and release when they were finger printed and returned to Mexico to then try again to enter illegally they were at least being taken out of the U.S. very expiditiously.

The system now is to keep them in the U.S. to be a drain on your resources either through detention which requires the feeding, housing and on-going medical care or putting them out into the immediate community for them to access whatever benefits they can by whatever means they can.

Which do you think is the most efficient system given no change to controlling, or preventing altogether, their illegal entry?
 
Old 02-28-2013, 08:10 AM
 
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Wackenhut used to employ a few specially equipped (bars or chain link fencing over the windows) buses and drivers to make weekly runs south to San Luis from the city environs of Yuma Az. to discharge and escort illegals captured back across the border. That all ground to a halt some years ago.

The current practice is to allow those caught to remain in the U.S. for much longer periods of time, either through detention or release with some form of monitoring; voluntary or mandatory.

End result:

While previous system could arguably be called catch and release when they were finger printed and returned to Mexico to then try again to enter illegally they were at least being taken out of the U.S. very expiditiously.

The system now is to keep them in the U.S. to be a drain on your resources either through detention which requires the feeding, housing and on-going medical care or putting them out into the immediate community for them to access whatever benefits they can by whatever means they can.

Which do you think is the most efficient system given no change to controlling, or preventing altogether, their illegal entry?
Ideally, prevent them from entering in the first place then they never become a burden to our society in regards to their upkeep. Remove the incentives for them to want to come here such as the job magnet (e-verify), benefits and birthright citizenship along with strict enforcement of our borders. Unfortunately, the will in congress is lacking to do any of these things. I think it will take a public uprising to change anything. Even those congressmen that we voted for and trusted about this issue are starting to cave into illegal immigrants and their supporters.
 
Old 02-28-2013, 08:13 AM
 
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So much emotional ranting over this issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/us/02immig.html
Excerpt: "Despite continuing high unemployment among American workers, record deportations by the Obama administration and expanding efforts by states to crack down, the number of unauthorized immigrants in the work force — about eight million — was also unchanged, the Pew report [link] found. Those workers were about 5 percent of the American work force."

Another thing - illegal aliens, and especially their children, deserve an amnesty or "path to citizenship" because both republicans (the biggest complainers) and democrats have historically done nothing about it when they could.
NONSENSE!

That is like saying that the guy who leaves his car unlocked and it is subsequently stolen should sign over the title to the thief out of some twisted sense of guilt through negligence.

Do you raise your children to believe in the "do what you can get away with because no one is actively engaged in preventing you from doing whatever" with the assurance from you that if caught you will vigorously defend them by making the claim "you encouraged them to misbehave by not stopping them beforehand".

These illegals aren't the dumbest rocks in the riverbed when generations of them have communicated the ability to arrive in your environs and immediately give birth to an "anchor baby" with all of the benefits that brings to their table.

What about the failures in this system do you not understand?
 
Old 02-28-2013, 08:26 AM
 
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Ideally, prevent them from entering in the first place then they never become a burden to our society in regards to their upkeep. Remove the incentives for them to want to come here such as the job magnet (e-verify), benefits and birthright citizenship along with strict enforcement of our borders. Unfortunately, the will in congress is lacking to do any of these things. I think it will take a public uprising to change anything. Even those congressmen that we voted for and trusted about this issue are starting to cave into illegal immigrants and their supporters.
One beleagered governor has made attempt after attempt only to be actively stymied by the Whitehouse.

I was living in Yuma Az on the eve of a piece of legisalation that was due to be actively enforced requiring all employers to immediately e-verify and the exodus of illegals back across the border, taking everything that was of any value with them (whether it belonged to them or not) was simply staggering in it's numbers.

Of course the fed's got involved and challenged that piece of legislation and they all came swarming back within weeks or months.

Those guys were stealing everything from the windows, doors, fixtures, wiring and plumbing in the houses they occupied to the irrigation gates in the canal irrigation system around Yuma, loading it onto stolen pick-up trucks and beat-feeting, with their families in tow, back to Mexico. There were even cases of cars having major accidents because they were running into open manholes whose covers had been stolen for their scrap value in Mexico.

Were you folks to bother performing a COMPREHENSIVE audit of the costs to your country of these illegals, you would shudder at the debit side of that ledger.
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