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Old 02-28-2013, 09:31 AM
 
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One beleagered governor has made attempt after attempt only to be actively stymied by the Whitehouse.

I was living in Yuma Az on the eve of a piece of legisalation that was due to be actively enforced requiring all employers to immediately e-verify and the exodus of illegals back across the border, taking everything that was of any value with them (whether it belonged to them or not) was simply staggering in it's numbers.

Of course the fed's got involved and challenged that piece of legislation and they all came swarming back within weeks or months.

Those guys were stealing everything from the windows, doors, fixtures, wiring and plumbing in the houses they occupied to the irrigation gates in the canal irrigation system around Yuma, loading it onto stolen pick-up trucks and beat-feeting, with their families in tow, back to Mexico. There were even cases of cars having major accidents because they were running into open manholes whose covers had been stolen for their scrap value in Mexico.

Were you folks to bother performing a COMPREHENSIVE audit of the costs to your country of these illegals, you would shudder at the debit side of that ledger.
Those of us who don't have an agenda and want them removed from our country know full well what they are costing our country. I believe that our government knows also as some of these stats come from government sources but they don't give a damn. Money, power and votes trumps the needs and best iinterests of our own citizens. To them we are the burden not illegal immigrants.

 
Old 02-28-2013, 11:22 AM
 
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Those of us who don't have an agenda and want them removed from our country know full well what they are costing our country. I believe that our government knows also as some of these stats come from government sources but they don't give a damn. Money, power and votes trumps the needs and best iinterests of our own citizens. To them we are the burden not illegal immigrants.
Sadly; that seems to be all too true.
 
Old 02-28-2013, 12:28 PM
 
Location: west mich
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Well maybe it's time to end the unemployment and welfare handouts since you liberals obviously believe there are more than plenty of jobs and that jobless Americans are just too damned lazy to want to work so you need to bring in many millions of illegals --- to do those jobs unemployed Americans don't want to do -- as the saying goes.

Yes maybe we can talk about amnesty AFTER unemployment extensions are ended and AFTER food stamps are cut back to 1960 levels.

It's insane to have the liberal open borders agenda and bring the world's most impoverished to live the good easy life here but keep paying Americans not to work -- that's what's creating the massive debt.
Yes, let's start with taxpayer handouts to corporations which are the single largest welfare expenditure. I'm with you there!

The right wing base has been benefiting from the lax open borders policies, that's why they never did anything about it except complain with democrats in office. We have an illegal alien employer problem, many companies who love the system as it is.
Here is a discussion from both sides of the "legal open borders" issue. It ain't long.
Reform America - American Borders Forum

Excerpt from the Right: "The reality of the situation is that it could take decades for America to ever see any real benefit in an open border situation. While it could reduce our immigration enforcement costs by reducing illegal immigration, it would also open our nation up to a virtual invasion by the Columbian drug cartels that control a good number of local governments in Mexico."

From the Left: "With the free flow of labor across borders, we would have all the benefits of skilled labor from all countries being available to our companies. By eliminating the need for illegal immigration, the number of undocumented people in the US would drop and our tax base would increase as a result."


 
Old 02-28-2013, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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You haven't shown how you or your dad know that these are illegals. You need to do that if you want credibility for your claims.
Are you joking? They only know Spanish. They have no marketable skills other than dirt cheap unskilled labor. The country doesn't let unskilled workers who will be a drain on society in willingly.

I do know for a fact that many local plants hire illegal laborers. One shop lost one recently after going back to Mexico. Her thought was she could try to get in the legal way, since she has a family here. No dice. Now she's stuck, and will have to cough up about 3 grand for someone to smuggle her back into the country. But of course, this is just my word and won't be taken seriously.
 
Old 02-28-2013, 04:56 PM
 
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Yes, let's start with taxpayer handouts to corporations which are the single largest welfare expenditure. I'm with you there!

The right wing base has been benefiting from the lax open borders policies, that's why they never did anything about it except complain with democrats in office. We have an illegal alien employer problem, many companies who love the system as it is.
Here is a discussion from both sides of the "legal open borders" issue. It ain't long.
Reform America - American Borders Forum

Excerpt from the Right: "The reality of the situation is that it could take decades for America to ever see any real benefit in an open border situation. While it could reduce our immigration enforcement costs by reducing illegal immigration, it would also open our nation up to a virtual invasion by the Columbian drug cartels that control a good number of local governments in Mexico."

From the Left: "With the free flow of labor across borders, we would have all the benefits of skilled labor from all countries being available to our companies. By eliminating the need for illegal immigration, the number of undocumented people in the US would drop and our tax base would increase as a result."

The cost of border enforcement is only a drop in the bucket compared to what these illegals are costing us in tax dollars, lowered wages and loss of American jobs by being here.

It isn't only Republicans who hire illegal immigrants unless you think that there aren't any Democrat business owners. As for the remarks you quoted by left it is so ridiculously wrong that I wouldn't even know where to begin. For one thing it isn't skilled labor that is flowing across our border but the poor, unskilled and uneducated that will always be a burden to our society.
 
Old 02-28-2013, 05:45 PM
 
Location: California
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The right wing base has been benefiting from the lax open borders policies, that's why they never did anything about it except complain with democrats in office. We have an illegal alien employer problem, many companies who love the system as it is.
And yet GW attempted to get an amnesty passed, go figure.

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Here is a discussion from both sides of the "legal open borders" issue. It ain't long.
Reform America - American Borders Forum

Excerpt from the Right: "The reality of the situation is that it could take decades for America to ever see any real benefit in an open border situation. While it could reduce our immigration enforcement costs by reducing illegal immigration, it would also open our nation up to a virtual invasion by the Columbian drug cartels that control a good number of local governments in Mexico."

From the Left: "With the free flow of labor across borders, we would have all the benefits of skilled labor from all countries being available to our companies. By eliminating the need for illegal immigration, the number of undocumented people in the US would drop and our tax base would increase as a result."
It looks like from your quote that it is the Democrats who care about cheap labor for corporations and business.

There is no need for illegals today, the issue is that they use forged documents to work and the AG industry uses them instead of the H2A (limitless visa).
 
Old 02-28-2013, 06:12 PM
 
Location: west mich
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And yet GW attempted to get an amnesty passed, go figure.

It looks like from your quote that it is the Democrats who care about cheap labor for corporations and business.

There is no need for illegals today, the issue is that they use forged documents to work and the AG industry uses them instead of the H2A (limitless visa).
You comment without reading the article. Check the part where I note that the article is about legal open border policies which have their own effect on the illegals problem.
It is conservative business owners who love the low wages, and the threat of deportation at their disposal in order to keep the workers in line.

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Old 02-28-2013, 06:35 PM
 
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You comment without reading the article. Check the part where I note that the article is about legal open border policies which have their own effect on the illegals problem.
It is conservative business owners who love the low wages, and the threat of deportation at their disposal in order to keep the workers in line.
Where is your proof that it is only conservative business owners who like the cheap, illegal labor? Are you so naive that you think that the left doesn't consist of any business owners who hire them? Nancy Pelosi comes to mind just for one example. Either way is it more admirable for the left to thumb their noses at our immigration laws for an ethnocentric group of voters?

We cannot have "legal" open border policies. Does one really have to explain all the reasons why? Immigration has to be in controlled numbers that doesn't negatively impact our own citizen's job opportunities just for starters.
 
Old 03-01-2013, 12:58 AM
 
Location: west mich
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Where is your proof that it is only conservative business owners who like the cheap, illegal labor? Are you so naive that you think that the left doesn't consist of any business owners who hire them? Nancy Pelosi comes to mind just for one example. Either way is it more admirable for the left to thumb their noses at our immigration laws for an ethnocentric group of voters?

We cannot have "legal" open border policies. Does one really have to explain all the reasons why? Immigration has to be in controlled numbers that doesn't negatively impact our own citizen's job opportunities just for starters.
According to the Right, liberals hate business, success, capitalism, and want to install socialism in America, so that wouild put the vast majority of business owners into the conservative ranks.
You temporarily deny your own doctrine because you just need an argument for the moment, or what??
 
Old 03-01-2013, 05:14 PM
 
Location: California
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You comment without reading the article. Check the part where I note that the article is about legal open border policies which have their own effect on the illegals problem.

It is conservative business owners who love the low wages, and the threat of deportation at their disposal in order to keep the workers in line.
I read the forum arguments as made by both sides, my comment was directed at your quotes of Republicans (Open Borders: Right of Center View) when clearly your quotes show it is actually the Democrats (Open Borders: Left of Center View) that want cheap labor.

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