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I read the forum arguments as made by both sides, my comment was directed at your quotes of Republicans (Open Borders: Right of Center View) when clearly your quotes show it is actually the Democrats (Open Borders: Left of Center View) that want cheap labor.
Why must you be so vague and just throw stuff out there? Add something of substance.
Give a reason why - as you say - democrats, the party of labor unions, living wages, workers' rights, and not the trickle-down republicans, who renounce all these things, would want this dirt-cheap labor.
Why must you be so vague and just throw stuff out there? Add something of substance.
Give a reason why - as you say - democrats, the party of labor unions, living wages, workers' rights, and not the trickle-down republicans, who renounce all these things, would want this dirt-cheap labor.
Vague? You make claims, you point to a forum that you think backs up your claims, I merely show you that what you have quoted doesn't back up your claim, in fact it shows just the opposite, and you have the ignorance to say I just throw stuff out there? Really?
Simple answer is supply and demand. Long answer, labor unions don't give a crap about the worker, they only care about power and money, the more people they can suck into giving them money, the better for them.
Living wage? What is a living wage? Define it. Then watch how it will never be enough as inflation increases. You lack any knowledge of actual economics. I would suggest you learn of the Phillips Curve before you further continue to embarrass yourself.
Workers rights? What rights are being violated by the employer? You do understand the more employees that are available the lower the wage will be right?That is counter-intuitive to your living wage whining.
It seems you are the one that lacks any substance to this topic, instead you make claims about things you seem to know very little about.
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Vague? You make claims, you point to a forum that you think backs up your claims, I merely show you that what you have quoted doesn't back up your claim, in fact it shows just the opposite, and you have the ignorance to say I just throw stuff out there? Really?
Simple answer is supply and demand. Long answer, labor unions don't give a crap about the worker, they only care about power and money, the more people they can suck into giving them money, the better for them.
Living wage? What is a living wage? Define it. Then watch how it will never be enough as inflation increases. You lack any knowledge of actual economics. I would suggest you learn of the Phillips Curve before you further continue to embarrass yourself.
Workers rights? What rights are being violated by the employer? You do understand the more employees that are available the lower the wage will be right?That is counter-intuitive to your living wage whining.
It seems you are the one that lacks any substance to this topic, instead you make claims about things you seem to know very little about.
So loss of jobs creates an employer's market which results in lower wages - "supply and demand". This is the great republican "self-regulating marketplace" - except of course for the corporate welfare and job outsourcing they favor.
Let the American worker compete with indentured slave labor in third-world countries?
Zero knowledge of the history of unions in America?
Spoken like a true plutocrat... America has never been, nor should it be, a plutocracy ruled by a wealthy elite. I'm sure you can see how your ideas support this.
So loss of jobs creates an employer's market which results in lower wages - "supply and demand". This is the great republican "self-regulating marketplace" - except of course for the corporate welfare and job outsourcing they favor.
Let the American worker compete with indentured slave labor in third-world countries?
Zero knowledge of the history of unions in America?
Spoken like a true plutocrat... America has never been, nor should it be, a plutocracy ruled by a wealthy elite. I'm sure you can see how your ideas support this.
I get weary of these political party demonizations (mainly of the GOP) when the Democrats are just as guilty. It is they that are advocating for illegal immigants to be able to remain here and compete for American jobs not the GOP. Both outsourcing and illegal immigration hurts job opportunities for Americans. At least with outsourcing we don't have millions of foreigners in our country not only taking jobs but being able to tap into our welfare coffers also. Not only that but it puts added stress on our natural and social resources while outsourcing does not. So what few jobs we have remaining that aren't being outsourced add illegal immigration to the mix and just what job opportunities remain for Americans?
So loss of jobs creates an employer's market which results in lower wages - "supply and demand". This is the great republican "self-regulating marketplace" - except of course for the corporate welfare and job outsourcing they favor.
Let the American worker compete with indentured slave labor in third-world countries?
Zero knowledge of the history of unions in America?
Spoken like a true plutocrat... America has never been, nor should it be, a plutocracy ruled by a wealthy elite. I'm sure you can see how your ideas support this.
You still haven't a clue about anything. What exactly is the "great Republican self-regulating marketplace"? I'm sure you haven't a clue about what our economy actually is, as it is not a "free market economy".
You should realize that most "corporate welfare" actually goes to Democrats, Nancy Pelosi is a big receiver of it along with Heinz (John Kerry and his wife), not to forget about Reid. But lets look at Obamacare and the corporate welfare that Obama gave to big pharma, or the auto bailouts and cash for clunkers, etc. Now, if you wish to continue I can keep going, but I would like to think you are smart enough to realize your partisan whining is just that. Your a Ralph Nader kinda Democrat, I see. Why am I not surprised.
Lets look at Grover Cleveland:
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he gave wealthy bondholders $5 million by pricing them $28 above market value. "Rugged individualism" he called it to make it on our own with a little government intervention for assistance. Only for business. Never the public.
Where have I advocated that the US worker should compete with workers in the 3rd world? You mean that other countries opened their markets and invited corporations to move there and begin manufacturing with fewer environmental regulations then the US has? Wouldn't that be a smart business move for the business? Does the US now own the private business? Does it not also help the poor in those other countries begin to better themselves and increase their living standards? Does it not lower the cost of the good now sold? Does it not keep money in your pocket due to the lower cost?
The question is: do we gradually lower our living standards while theirs increases to eventually become equal, or do we dive off the clif and plunge immediately down to their level? As I said, you haven't a clue about anything economy wise.
Union history? Thats just it, it is its history, not its present nor its future. I suggest you open your eyes and see what they actually are today. Former Teacher: Unions Are Bad for Teachers - Yahoo! News I can post reasons why unions are worthless today all day long.
Me, a Plutocrat? Really? Coming from some OWS inane rambler who idolizes one of the biggest Plutocrats we've ever had as a President? Really? If your not in school, you should go back and enroll and actually learn a thing or two about what it is you are discussing vs playing the partisan blame game on things you are to ignorant to actually see in front of you.
Last edited by Liquid Reigns; 03-04-2013 at 12:41 PM..
You still haven't a clue about anything. What exactly is the "great Republican self-regulating marketplace"? I'm sure you haven't a clue about what our economy actually is, as it is not a "free market economy".
You should realize that most "corporate welfare" actually goes to Democrats, Nancy Pelosi is a big receiver of it along with Heinz (John Kerry and his wife), not to forget about Reid. But lets look at Obamacare and the corporate welfare that Obama gave to big pharma, or the auto bailouts and cash for clunkers, etc. Now, if you wish to continue I can keep going, but I would like to think you are smart enough to realize your partisan whining is just that. Your a Ralph Nader kinda Democrat, I see. Why am I not surprised.
Lets look at Grover Cleveland:Where have I advocated that the US worker should compete with workers in the 3rd world? You mean that other countries opened their markets and invited corporations to move there and begin manufacturing with fewer environmental regulations then the US has? Wouldn't that be a smart business move for the business? Does the US now own the private business? Does it not also help the poor in those other countries begin to better themselves and increase their living standards? Does it not lower the cost of the good now sold? Does it not keep money in your pocket due to the lower cost?
The question is: do we gradually lower our living standards while theirs increases to eventually become equal, or do we dive off the clif and plunge immediately down to their level? As I said, you haven't a clue about anything economy wise.
Union history? Thats just it, it is its history, not its present nor its future. I suggest you open your eyes and see what they actually are today. Former Teacher: Unions Are Bad for Teachers - Yahoo! News I can post reasons why unions are worthless today all day long.
Me, a Plutocrat? Really? Coming from some OWS inane rambler who idolizes one of the biggest Plutocrats we've ever had as a President? Really? If your not in school, you should go back and enroll and actually learn a thing or two about what it is you are discussing vs playing the partisan blame game on things you are to ignorant to actually see in front of you. You don't understand the difference between being pro-market vs being pro-business.
I highlighted parts of your rant which are either wrong, show a general disdain for the American worker, or make you seem to be indulging in right-wing revisionist history.
You seem to be in a right-wing Fox news bubble, and the freedoms we enjoy allow you to stay there of your own choosing. Indulge yourself!
* You have never heard of the "unregulated free market" promoted by republicans. Really?
To save you from doing any homework: this defines a marketplace which, if businesses are left in unregulated self-interest, as a byproduct they will act to the best benefit of all citizens. This is Reaganomics - a failure which allowed greedy bankers to crash the economy in 2008 and get a taxpayer bailout. This is not capitalism.
* You willingly accept corporate outsourcing to countries with slave labor, to the detriment of American workers. Zero knowledge of protectionism practiced by these countries. Oh yeah - Fox.
* You conveniently ignore the really big players in corporate welfare, Big Oil, Big Agra, Wall Street Banks, billion-dollar corporations who pay zero taxes - instead you complain about Kerry and Pelosi.
* You conveniently ignore the fact that the Republican Party is today's Plutocratic Party and its Fox News propaganda outlet promotes oligarchy daily.
* Labelling Obama a plutocrat, over most republicans, shows either zero knowledge of the word's meaning, or a blind acceptance of what Fox has told you.
* The corporate welfare given to Big Pharma was a concession to the republican base, and it exposes, once again, the right-wing lie that Obama is a far-left socialist. He has done exactly what you want.
Every point you make is straight off the script of Roger Ailes - a script written for Fox which stands out like a sore thumb.
I highlighted parts of your rant which are either wrong, show a general disdain for the American worker, or make you seem to be indulging in right-wing revisionist history.
You seem to be in a right-wing Fox news bubble, and the freedoms we enjoy allow you to stay there of your own choosing. Indulge yourself!
* You have never heard of the "unregulated free market" promoted by republicans. Really?
To save you from doing any homework: this defines a marketplace which, if businesses are left in unregulated self-interest, as a byproduct they will act to the best benefit of all citizens. This is Reaganomics - a failure which allowed greedy bankers to crash the economy in 2008 and get a taxpayer bailout. This is not capitalism.
* You willingly accept corporate outsourcing to countries with slave labor, to the detriment of American workers. Zero knowledge of protectionism practiced by these countries. Oh yeah - Fox.
* You conveniently ignore the really big players in corporate welfare, Big Oil, Big Agra, Wall Street Banks, billion-dollar corporations who pay zero taxes - instead you complain about Kerry and Pelosi.
* You conveniently ignore the fact that the Republican Party is today's Plutocratic Party and its Fox News propaganda outlet promotes oligarchy daily.
* Labelling Obama a plutocrat, over most republicans, shows either zero knowledge of the word's meaning, or a blind acceptance of what Fox has told you.
* The corporate welfare given to Big Pharma was a concession to the republican base, and it exposes, once again, the right-wing lie that Obama is a far-left socialist. He has done exactly what you want.
Every point you make is straight off the script of Roger Ailes - a script written for Fox which stands out like a sore thumb.
Interesting the claim that the right can't think for themselves and that they have to rely on Fox News to form their opinions. Should we also assume the same of the left who listens to leftist new's programs?
Aside from that members of both parties have hurt the American worker either through outsourcing or being pro-illegal immigration and granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants with 23 million Americans out of work. The latter Obama and the Democrats are the most guilty of. How about discussing that which is the topic of this forum?
I highlighted parts of your rant which are either wrong, show a general disdain for the American worker, or make you seem to be indulging in right-wing revisionist history. You seem to be in a right-wing Fox news bubble, and the freedoms we enjoy allow you to stay there of your own choosing. Indulge yourself!
* You have never heard of the "unregulated free market" promoted by republicans. Really?
To save you from doing any homework: this defines a marketplace which, if businesses are left in unregulated self-interest, as a byproduct they will act to the best benefit of all citizens. This is Reaganomics - a failure which allowed greedy bankers to crash the economy in 2008 and get a taxpayer bailout. This is not capitalism.
* You willingly accept corporate outsourcing to countries with slave labor, to the detriment of American workers. Zero knowledge of protectionism practiced by these countries. Oh yeah - Fox.
* You conveniently ignore the really big players in corporate welfare, Big Oil, Big Agra, Wall Street Banks, billion-dollar corporations who pay zero taxes - instead you complain about Kerry and Pelosi.
* You conveniently ignore the fact that the Republican Party is today's Plutocratic Party and its Fox News propaganda outlet promotes oligarchy daily.
* Labelling Obama a plutocrat, over most republicans, shows either zero knowledge of the word's meaning, or a blind acceptance of what Fox has told you.
* The corporate welfare given to Big Pharma was a concession to the republican base, and it exposes, once again, the right-wing lie that Obama is a far-left socialist. He has done exactly what you want.
Every point you make is straight off the script of Roger Ailes - a script written for Fox which stands out like a sore thumb.
Funny how you use this claim against anybody that shows you to be ignorant of which you claim. WAFM
Republicans do not Promote unregulated free market theory, it is Libertarians that do so. They then point to Beijing as a model of it.
Reagonomics was not "unregulated free market" theory, it was capitalistic in theory.
Define "slave labor". Is it simply they make less per hour than you?
Ignore the big player in corporate welfare? Dude you haven't a clue about any of it.
Your hatred of FOX is hilarious, but then I bet you are an MSNBC kinda weirdo.
Obama has given out more corporate welfare then any other president in history, thats a given fact. Prove it wrong....you can't. FOX....hardly.
So now Obama making behind the door deals with Big Pharma are concessions to the Republicans? Thats a new spin.
Dude, leave the Progressive talking points out and actually attempt to prove your claims or atleast get off the partisan ignorance.
I highlighted parts of your rant which are either wrong, show a general disdain for the American worker, or make you seem to be indulging in right-wing revisionist history.
You seem to be in a right-wing Fox news bubble, and the freedoms we enjoy allow you to stay there of your own choosing. Indulge yourself!
Does your inane ignorance know no bounds? Please enlighten me as to my "wrong" parts and the "disdain" for the American worker. Then how about some links that prove your inane ineptness.
Are you insinuating that the Federal govt take control of private business and force them to stay within the US and manufacture only here all the while competing against imported product of the same item? And you expect the business to employee the people of the US and pay for all their healthcare and retirement? I have a box of rocks that are smarter than you.
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