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Old 02-27-2013, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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For one in spite of very massive illegal immigration with millions coming over the borders illegally or overstaying the terms of their border crossing cards and other visas, the administration conveniently keeps reporting the same 12 million illegals as the count year after year...
Hitting on the credibility gap again here, I'm not going to take your speculations as a valid "slush" value...

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8% of births in the USA are to illegals. That's a very large number.
If you are quoting Pew for those numbers, are you also placing what they have determined for the relationships of those illegal alien parents?:

Other parent is a U.S. citizen: 30%
Other parent is a legal resident: 25%
Other parent is also an illegal alien: 45%
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...You even admit you don't know the population of New Mexico -- while I obviously do know the population of that state, and I provided you a Pew Hispanic source on the estimated percent of illegals in that population. A lot!! 4.3% of 2 million - but they're giving birth to over 8% of the babies born.
I'm saying I'm coming into the discussion without knowing the current population of my state. The estimate on North Carolina by a member yesterday obviously didn't understand his state's total population either. The percentages of births in my state has the factor of whom the other parent is, so I am not going to use that as an indicator to the illegal alien population.

BTW, the Pew source lists the number they estimate, right next to the percentage that you have quoted here...

Why haven't you offered that information as well?...
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:27 PM
 
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Hitting on the credibility gap again here, I'm not going to take your speculations as a valid "slush" value...



If you are quoting Pew for those numbers, are you also placing what they have determined for the relationships of those illegal alien parents?:

Other parent is a U.S. citizen: 30%
Other parent is a legal resident: 25%
Other parent is also an illegal alien: 45%
The other parent isn't giving birth and since the vast majority of these births are to single mothers who will raise their children on food stamps and Medicaid and other government handouts, the other parent is of little or no importance. It doesn't change the fact that 8% of births are to illegals even though they are just over 4% of the population.

Legal residents and US citizens can sponsor spouses to come in legally, it would be quite unlikely that so many pregnant wives can't be sponsored and so are illegals.
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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The other parent isn't giving birth and since the vast majority of these births are to single mothers who will raise their children on food stamps and Medicaid and other government handouts, the other parent is of little or no importance. It doesn't change the fact that 8% of births are to illegals even though they are just over 4% of the population.

Legal residents and US citizens can sponsor spouses to come in legally, it would be quite unlikely that so many pregnant wives can't be sponsored and so are illegals.
You're attempting to adjust the data to your beliefs. Come on, why is it always like this? What does it take to get a straight answer out of you?

Pew Hispanic estimates 85,000 illegal aliens are in New Mexico...
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:36 AM
 
Location: texas
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The other parent isn't giving birth and since the vast majority of these births are to single mothers who will raise their children on food stamps and Medicaid and other government handouts, the other parent is of little or no importance. It doesn't change the fact that 8% of births are to illegals even though they are just over 4% of the population.

Legal residents and US citizens can sponsor spouses to come in legally, it would be quite unlikely that so many pregnant wives can't be sponsored and so are illegals.
Its all gonna be a mute point when all 25 million illegal aliens in a couple of months become US citizens.
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:53 AM
 
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Let me start out that I don't even honestly know the total population of New Mexico right now, the specific percentage of Hispanics, and haven't visited absolutely everywhere in the state. Help me figure out a way I can determine the number of illegal aliens, the same way others know how many are in their state. Next up is the entire United States, I can pull up what older posts have estimated before here.
Well, if we read some of the usual suspects on this forum, we can safely hazard a guess that if you take the entire Hispanic population, subtract 1% and also subtract the Cubans and Puerto Ricans, the remainder are either here illegally or are anchors.
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:36 AM
 
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And according to this research:

IV. State Settlement Patterns | Pew Hispanic Center

4.3% of the population of New Mexico is here illegally. Over 8% of births are to illegals.
You may have missed it - it is 2013.
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:39 AM
 
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The other parent isn't giving birth and since the vast majority of these births are to single mothers who will raise their children on food stamps and Medicaid and other government handouts, the other parent is of little or no importance. It doesn't change the fact that 8% of births are to illegals even though they are just over 4% of the population.

Legal residents and US citizens can sponsor spouses to come in legally, it would be quite unlikely that so many pregnant wives can't be sponsored and so are illegals.
What is your suggestion - offer birthing bonuses as some EU states do, hope the new pope will be a man of reality or let the women work to support their families? Where is real data you base this statement on?
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Old 02-28-2013, 11:06 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Its all gonna be a mute point when all 25 million illegal aliens in a couple of months become US citizens.
Becoming legal doesn't make them citizens.
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Old 02-28-2013, 11:59 AM
 
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Becoming legal doesn't make them citizens.
Why do you have to be a citizen? The right to vote, freedom to travel without restraints and a higher tax break once the US spouse passes away, eligibility for certain jobs - what else is there in it for those who jump through the hoops of US citizenship?
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