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Old 10-26-2007, 12:40 PM
 
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So... you'll let me crash at your place, right? I have a 70 lb. dog though. Hope you don't mind.
Let me compliment you on your sensitivity. I was afraid you might say you "own" a dog...and that would have been a "species-ist" statement (sort of canin-ophobic)--and might have alarmed some of our readers. Saying you "own" a dog implies that you're somehow better, or smarter, than he, and we both know that this wouldn't show "equality". All species, remember, just like all cultures, are equal. THere's the "dog way" of handling things, and the "human way", but neither is really the "better" way.
So once again, hats off to you for saying you "have" a dog (and, presumably, that he "has" you) rather than I "own" a dog......
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:29 PM
 
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It's funny how this issue of American culture keeps coming up. I'll just say this, we may not be able to give a textbook definition (or at least one that the nay sayers will accept), but it's pretty obvious that whether it can be explained or not, it sure as hell exists, and the American people are very proud of it. What all us "racist" Americans are trying to stop is the influx of illegal aliens who are coming here, to AMERICA, because this country is the greatest country on Earth (even without a definable culture), from turning it into the thrid world crap hole that they came from yet still seem to be so proud of.

Also, to the guy who went off with the "This land is your land, this land is my land" speech, I fully agree with you. In fact, since your land belongs to everyone, I'm going to pack up all 12 million illegal aliens and tell them you said they can come stay with you. Have fun sharing.
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:37 PM
 
Location: CA Coast
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OK, I have a break from fighting wildfires for a moment, so I'll "bite". You are making a dishonest attempt to prove something by using "negatives"---are you by chance a car salesman?-

Saying there's "nothing about this country that can't be found elsewhere" is essentially a nonsense point. Sometimes it gets 100 degrees in Fairbanks, Alaska---and Yuma, Arizona has records of freezing temperatures on occasion. So this PROVES to you that "Fairbanks has a warm climate, and Yuma is a virtual icebox?"---right?

Some people everywhere on earth do bad things, while others do good things.

There are devoted husbands in the Middle East, while in Arkansas lives a guy in a trailer who beats his wife. So therefore, "Women's rights are held in more regard in Saudi Arabia than they are in the West"---right?

Did you ever think of running for public office?. Your powers of deductive reasoning would certainly be a "plus" in that line of work !.
in Editing an acronym is often used for certain passages; DMS.

Again, let me state it in a slightly different manner. America is just another country, there is nothing to be found here that cannot be found elsewhere. I am not sure how my sentence correlates to your post.

one of the oft stated special characteristics of America is its "Freedom" yet it ranks 16th among the nations of the world.
Another oft stated special characteristic of America is its Capitalist economy, yet Hong Kong has the freest economy in the world and it is run by Commies. Also, interestingly enough, most of the nations ranked as Free-er than the US are clearly Socialist nations.

I am currently building a new home. The ancillary costs imposed by the City are nearly 50% the cost of the home. I think of an old friend who built a beach house in Mexico, a nicer house than the one we are building, his ancillary costs? $0.00
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:39 PM
 
Location: CA Coast
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but it's pretty obvious that whether it can be explained or not, it sure as hell exists,
Yes, there is a saying, "Everything west of Istanbul is Los Angeles". It is not meant as a compliment.
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:45 PM
 
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You posted a pic of your home - nice but you are out in the middle of nowhere. You don't have illegals throwing trash in your yard, blocking your driveway, playing loud music, partying in the streets, shooting guns into the air, raising chickens and goats, kids playing in your yard at all hours of the night, people repairing cars and draining oil on the street, hear car doors open and close 24 hours a day, pollution from vehicles with fraudulent inspection stickers, wrecks from uninsured and unlicensed drivers, etc. And most likely you are not paying huge tax increases for illegals to go to school and to the hospital, etc. And I would imagine everyone up there in the mountains speaks English.

When you live with that then you can tell the rest of us what to do.
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:47 PM
 
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in Editing an acronym is often used for certain passages; DMS.

Again, let me state it in a slightly different manner. America is just another country, there is nothing to be found here that cannot be found elsewhere. I am not sure how my sentence correlates to your post.

one of the oft stated special characteristics of America is its "Freedom" yet it ranks 16th among the nations of the world.
Another oft stated special characteristic of America is its Capitalist economy, yet Hong Kong has the freest economy in the world and it is run by Commies. Also, interestingly enough, most of the nations ranked as Free-er than the US are clearly Socialist nations.

I am currently building a new home. The ancillary costs imposed by the City are nearly 50% the cost of the home. I think of an old friend who built a beach house in Mexico, a nicer house than the one we are building, his ancillary costs? $0.00
I won't argue with you; I'm sure what you say is true. I still maintain, however, that each week the border near here is crossed by hundreds of people fleeing through rugged terrain in order to escape a bad situation in their country. Apparently, they don't yet have the word that Mexico has many freedoms (such as the ones you've mentioned), and that they are leaving these to flee northward into the United States, which has oppression, poverty, and substandard living conditions. Perhaps they feel that, though "good things" can be said about their living conditions in Mexico, and "bad things" do happen here in the States, they nevertheless are willing to recognize that, in the overall picture, life here is markedly better than life there.....and they sre confident enough in this fact that they are wiling to go to great effort to take advantage of that difference.
I notice that you, too, seem to have elected to live in the US, rather than elsewhere. May I ask, is there any particular reason behind this? Why, for example, didn't you build your new house in Mexico, with its zero ancillary costs, rather than letting yourself get "ripped off" by building here in the US?
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:50 PM
 
Location: CA Coast
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Well, I posted pictures of one home. Our other is located on a farm where the illegals show up every morning at 6:30 in the cold dark and work extremely hard until late afternoon 6 days a week (7 days during harvest). The money they make from this work provides food and shelter and clothing to their children. On their one day off they go to church, then take their kids to the beach or to the park where they barbecue and visit with each other. The go home early because in order to get to the fields by 6:30 am they must get up at 5:00 AM each morning.

They do this so you can eat.
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:55 PM
 
Location: CA Coast
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Macmeal, there are two economies in Mexico. The workers who come to America are the underclass, there is little economic mobility for them. The do not go to the Costcos, The Walmarts, and the Home Depots that the middle and upper classes can.

As in America there are those who will never climb the economic ladder. If wages in Mexico were ten times that of the US we would see our poor heading south.

Why am I here rather than Mexico? My business interests are here, but don't worry, I spend time in Mexico, and Italy, and Greece, and other places. Will I ever build in Mexico? no, because homes don't move, do we sail to Mexico and wander about? Yes.
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Old 10-26-2007, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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Sad thing is that since our gov't won't do anything about illegal immigration, Americans will. And I don't expect it to be peaceful either. That's where we are headed. It's inevitable. Unless our gov't does do something about it and send them all back where they came from. yah right. The invasion is here not in Iraq.
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Old 10-26-2007, 02:10 PM
 
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Macmeal, there are two economies in Mexico. The workers who come to America are the underclass, there is little economic mobility for them. The do not go to the Costcos, The Walmarts, and the Home Depots that the middle and upper classes can.

As in America there are those who will never climb the economic ladder. If wages in Mexico were ten times that of the US we would see our poor heading south.

Why am I here rather than Mexico? My business interests are here, but don't worry, I spend time in Mexico, and Italy, and Greece, and other places. Will I ever build in Mexico? no, because homes don't move, do we sail to Mexico and wander about? Yes.
My congratulations to you that you are able to enjoy the affluent, cosmopolitan lifestyle you describe--but I still maintain you were given a tremendous "head start" on this by being part of American society, a head start that you likely wouldn't have had in many nations, including Mexico.

My entire extended family of in-laws is made up of Hispanics, from native "Californios"/Mission Indians to a few relatively recent immigrants from Mexico--and I have a couple of Hispanic in-laws on my "side" as well. I've never heard a single one of these people (other than a teen-ager or two) express the slightest desire to "return" to any sort of idyllic Mexican lifestyle. Somehow these people are demonstrating a pronounced preference for the "American" way of life, despite any racism or difficulties they might have had.

I enjoyed your posts and wish you well...It's been fun
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