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Old 03-13-2013, 12:45 PM
 
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They shouldn't get grants and the like but welcome to America. Foreign students (not talking illegals or legal immigrant students)have been getting free money for along time and the sick irony is that where I attended school foreign students were getting tax payer funded work study programs while American students were denied.

American born students don't matter anymore to college.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:10 PM
 
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Ok, I should have clarified. They were State grants. Also, the bold is an extremist organization, am I right?
My examples were of private organizations. You can label them as you wish.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:16 PM
 
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It is never this way. If the people could vote on this, they would vote it down. Americans want immigration laws enforced. I think the issue of non-citizens going to college is about receiving the in-state tuition rate.
You do vote, in a representative democracy, you vote for your representatives. New Mexico changed the Governor and legislature and recinded driver's licences for Illegal aliens. If you can't change the legislature in your state, it is because you don't have a majority of persons that believe as you do.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:36 PM
 
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You do vote, in a representative democracy, you vote for your representatives. New Mexico changed the Governor and legislature and recinded driver's licences for Illegal aliens. If you can't change the legislature in your state, it is because you don't have a majority of persons that believe as you do.
Voting based on the promises made by a politician prior to being elected apparently doesn't work because many times they change their stances after being elected and then we are stuck with them for 2-4 years and the cycle starts all over again. It's been a long time since most politicians represented the best interests of this country or it's citizens as a whole.

It all depends on the ethnic makeup and whether or not it tends to be liberal or conservative in any given area what the beliefs may be. That doesn't mean that a minority group represents the beliefs of the majority of this nation.
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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You do vote, in a representative democracy, you vote for your representatives. New Mexico changed the Governor and legislature and recinded driver's licences for Illegal aliens. If you can't change the legislature in your state, it is because you don't have a majority of persons that believe as you do.
Nope, just a couple weeks ago her third attempt to change the driver's license policy failed in committee. The New Mexico Legislature hasn't dramatically shifted (it is still a majority Democratic), the main change is that she abandoned the only Independent we had in the state in his re-election bid (Andy Nunez). He lost the election as a result, despite being her biggest supporter in the driver's license constraints.

She's also said New Mexico driver's licenses will be issued to successful DACA petitioners in the state...

More than halfway through her term, she better tout things other than any effect she has had on the issuance of New Mexico driver's licenses...
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Old 03-14-2013, 02:09 PM
 
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Nope, just a couple weeks ago her third attempt to change the driver's license policy failed in committee. The New Mexico Legislature hasn't dramatically shifted (it is still a majority Democratic), the main change is that she abandoned the only Independent we had in the state in his re-election bid (Andy Nunez). He lost the election as a result, despite being her biggest supporter in the driver's license constraints.

She's also said New Mexico driver's licenses will be issued to successful DACA petitioners in the state...

More than halfway through her term, she better tout things other than any effect she has had on the issuance of New Mexico driver's licenses...
Thanks for the heads-up. I thought it was a done deal. My point is still the same, just a poor choice of an example.
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Old 03-14-2013, 02:21 PM
 
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Voting based on the promises made by a politician prior to being elected apparently doesn't work because many times they change their stances after being elected and then we are stuck with them for 2-4 years and the cycle starts all over again. It's been a long time since most politicians represented the best interests of this country or it's citizens as a whole.

It all depends on the ethnic makeup and whether or not it tends to be liberal or conservative in any given area what the beliefs may be. That doesn't mean that a minority group represents the beliefs of the majority of this nation.
That is the system we all work with. I'm sorry you are not getting the representatives you wish for.

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That doesn't mean that a minority group represents the beliefs of the majority of this nation
Other than voting, how would one gage their view is in the majority?

Either way, if you cant vote your representative out, or other representatives vote contrary to yours, then that is a good indication that your views are in the minority.
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Old 03-14-2013, 02:35 PM
 
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That is the system we all work with. I'm sorry you are not getting the representatives you wish for.



Other than voting, how would one gage their view is in the majority?

Either way, if you cant vote your representative out, or other representatives vote contrary to yours, then that is a good indication that your views are in the minority.
You forget about the corruption and payola in congress. Money and power means more to them than what is good for the majority or what the majority wants. Many if not most of our congressmen are in the back pockets of the corporate elite and special interest groups.

Here is an example of what Obama and the Democrats are doing. They are pushing amnesty for illegal immigrants and a path to citiizenship to gain themselves more Democrat voters in the future and pandering to ethnocentric citizen voters right now. In many states there is a high concentration of them which means they get more representation in many districts. That minority population that wants amnesty does not represent the majority at this time. That minority does not have the best interests of this country in mind either but when they have the numbers on their side it will become irrelevant what is best for this country. We can thank illegal immigration from mostly south of our border for making this come about. I don't see other ethnic groups blackmailing our politicians for votes by insisting that they thumb their noses at our immigration laws.

The polls show that the majority of Americans want our immigration laws enforced and no amnesty/legalization/path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.
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Old 03-15-2013, 04:44 AM
 
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You forget about the corruption and payola in congress. Money and power means more to them than what is good for the majority or what the majority wants. Many if not most of our congressmen are in the back pockets of the corporate elite and special interest groups.

Here is an example of what Obama and the Democrats are doing. They are pushing amnesty for illegal immigrants and a path to citiizenship to gain themselves more Democrat voters in the future and pandering to ethnocentric citizen voters right now. In many states there is a high concentration of them which means they get more representation in many districts. That minority population that wants amnesty does not represent the majority at this time. That minority does not have the best interests of this country in mind either but when they have the numbers on their side it will become irrelevant what is best for this country. We can thank illegal immigration from mostly south of our border for making this come about. I don't see other ethnic groups blackmailing our politicians for votes by insisting that they thumb their noses at our immigration laws.

The polls show that the majority of Americans want our immigration laws enforced and no amnesty/legalization/path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.
again it is the system we all work with. The only poll that counts is the vote.
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Old 03-15-2013, 06:27 AM
 
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again it is the system we all work with. The only poll that counts is the vote.
Well until Americans get to vote on immigration policies all of which I mentioned to you will not reflect what the majority wants.
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