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Old 03-10-2013, 06:05 AM
 
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The media reports that basically all the current illegal aliens in America will be given amnesty as part of the soon to be passed comprehensive immigration reform. The only argument is if they will be given a path to citizenship or legal residence. Regardless, 99% of the current 12-20 million illegal aliens will be given the right to work and live in America almost immediately. The citizenship part comes later.

So how is this going to be implemented, I wonder. What about all the people sitting in those immigration prisons? Will they all get out? How about the people currently in deportation proceedings? What about the ones who have committed minor crimes? The devils are in the details! The details on how this would work out and the processing of the 12-20 million illegal aliens who want instant amnesty will be a huge administrative undertaking! How will they determine who of the 12-20 million illegals gets to stay and who can't?

Immigration Reform Supporters: Tell us how this amnesty of the current illegal aliens should be implemented? Details please!

* PLEASE lets limit replies to discussion on how the amnesty is going to be administered fairly and efficently, not complaints about illegal immigration.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:04 AM
 
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Amnesty, is forgiveness of immigration infractions...(i.e.) Being in the US without authorization, not a forgiveness of all crimes.

Amnesty is not being offered in any proposal by the House, Senate, or the President.

If illegal aliens are being detained for deportation and have not committed a serious offense, then most likely, their scheduled deportation would be nullified. If they are being detained for committing a crime that make them ineligible to participate in legalization, then I believe they would be deported with no chance of participating in the proposed immigration reforms.
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Old 03-10-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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OK they will get amnesty after paying a small fine. A slap on the wrist at best.

The previous poster said: "If illegal aliens are being detained for deportation and have not committed a serious offense, then most likely, their scheduled deportation would be nullified." How if they took someone elses identity to work and did not pay taxes, would they still get the right to stay?
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:32 PM
 
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Amnesty, is forgiveness of immigration infractions...(i.e.) Being in the US without authorization, not a forgiveness of all crimes.

Amnesty is not being offered in any proposal by the House, Senate, or the President.

If illegal aliens are being detained for deportation and have not committed a serious offense, then most likely, their scheduled deportation would be nullified. If they are being detained for committing a crime that make them ineligible to participate in legalization, then I believe they would be deported with no chance of participating in the proposed immigration reforms.
Does the terminology really matter whether one refers to it as an amnesty or legalization? They shouldn't be allowed to remain here at all and regardless of whether or not they have been "convicted" of a felony. Most commit felony ID theft and they are going to get a pass on that?

If one wants to get technical about using the word "amnesty" then surely "reform" is the wrong word to use also. What are we reforming? Our immigration laws would still be the same. Just that they would get a pass on them. That isn't reform because it would just be another so-called end of all further amnesties/legalizations.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:33 AM
 
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Does the terminology really matter whether one refers to it as an amnesty or legalization? They shouldn't be allowed to remain here at all and regardless of whether or not they have been "convicted" of a felony. Most commit felony ID theft and they are going to get a pass on that?

If one wants to get technical about using the word "amnesty" then surely "reform" is the wrong word to use also. What are we reforming? Our immigration laws would still be the same. Just that they would get a pass on them. That isn't reform because it would just be another so-called end of all further amnesties/legalizations.
If you know the difference it should. If one want to have a discussion on what will legally happen to illegal immigrants after immigration reform, then one should understand what will and will not happen.
Stick to your guns and turn a blind eye to what is comming...that always works.

Immigration is a complex subject. Mixing or mingling of terms or down right misinterpretion of terms does not lead to understanding.

Call an apple an orange if you wish, doesn't change the taste.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:30 AM
 
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If you know the difference it should. If one want to have a discussion on what will legally happen to illegal immigrants after immigration reform, then one should understand what will and will not happen.
Stick to your guns and turn a blind eye to what is comming...that always works.

Immigration is a complex subject. Mixing or mingling of terms or down right misinterpretion of terms does not lead to understanding.

Call an apple an orange if you wish, doesn't change the taste.
IMO, anything that allows them to remain in this country is amnesty even when it comes with penalties. Again, how is it reform when our immigration laws aren't going to change?

As for what is coming we will have to wait and see won't we? It will be a fight till the bitter end. I hope you will join the fight with patriotic Americans for the rule of law who want our immigration laws respected and enforced and not rewarded for breaking them. Are you on board?
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:47 AM
 
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IMO, anything that allows them to remain in this country is amnesty even when it comes with penalties. Again, how is it reform when our immigration laws aren't going to change?

As for what is coming we will have to wait and see won't we? It will be a fight till the bitter end. I hope you will join the fight with patriotic Americans for the rule of law who want our immigration laws respected and enforced and not rewarded for breaking them. Are you on board?
330 million patriots in this country. A vast majority of them seek reform. No reforms offered or that will be put into place are against the law, they, in fact, will be the law. So if you are so concern for following the rule of law, then reform laws are the rule.

Good luck in your crusade.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:58 AM
 
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330 million patriots in this country. A vast majority of them seek reform. No reforms offered or that will be put into place are against the law, they, in fact, will be the law. So if you are so concern for following the rule of law, then reform laws are the rule.

Good luck in your crusade.
Actually, it is more like 315 million and that includes illegal immigrants in our country. Please provide an unbiased link that backs up your assertion that the majority of Americans want illegal immigrants to be able to remain here. Why would they seek their own demise? I am interested in following the laws that are on the books today and again it isn't reform because those laws will not change. It is amnesty not reform.

Curious to know what your stake is in this since you obviously don't want to join the crusade to rid our country of immigration lawbreakers.
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:13 AM
 
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Though not a typical hysterical ''anti-illegals'' type myself, even I have to admit that whatever legislation or even ''amnesty'' they finally decide on, it ultimately ain't gonna mean squat. Because in a few years time we'll just be revisiting this whole thang all over again with a new generation of ''immigrants''! So for better or worse, welcome to the Future and the Global Economy!
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:19 AM
 
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Though not a typical hysterical ''anti-illegals'' type myself, even I have to admit that whatever legislation or even ''amnesty'' they finally decide on, it ultimately ain't gonna mean squat. Because in a few years time we'll just be revisiting this whole thang all over again with a new generation of ''immigrants''! So for better or worse, welcome to the Future and the Global Economy!
What constitutes "hysterical" in your mind? I merely object to illegal immigration based on our laws and the negative impact it has on our country in so many ways. Is that "hysterical"? I don't think so!

So you just have a defeatist attitude? Just think what will happen if millions of Americans protest any amnesty again just like they did back in the Bush days (and they will). It will be stopped dead in its tracks just like the last time. Global economy hasn't a damned thing to do with illegal immigration into our country. You are mixing apples with oranges here.
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